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A300 flight crew with ZMA and unable to receive WX deviation clearance elects to contact hav for deviation approval into hav airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 760052 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200710 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : zma.artcc |
| State Reference | FL |
| Environment | |
| Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 760052 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
| Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
After studying the WX radar in mia (there was the huge tropical storm system) we headed toward ZZZ. We had a route that was unusual; that would bring us into ZZZ from the southwest due to all this WX. As we were approaching forst intersection; we requested a deviation right of course. ZMA said she could only approve 15 mi right because of hav airspace. I know from over 20+ yrs of flying this route that she could simply pick up the phone and ask hav for more. However; the controller was not very helpful due to the fact she was extremely busy with many aircraft deviating. I had my first officer quickly get on the radio with hav who quickly got approval for our needed WX deviation. I informed mia that we got a clearance from hav. She responded that hav did not approve it for her. Hav said to fly direct jotas when able. I continued to inform mia of hav's instructions. Hav center was very helpful and approved our deviation. We avoided flying through severe WX; and I believe it was a safe operation. The reason I'm writing this report is because the mia controller seemed upset. Note: as we approached jotas a different controller had taken over and there was no mention of the deviation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A300 FLT CREW WITH ZMA AND UNABLE TO RECEIVE WX DEV CLRNC ELECTS TO CONTACT HAV FOR DEV APPROVAL INTO HAV AIRSPACE.
Narrative: AFTER STUDYING THE WX RADAR IN MIA (THERE WAS THE HUGE TROPICAL STORM SYS) WE HEADED TOWARD ZZZ. WE HAD A RTE THAT WAS UNUSUAL; THAT WOULD BRING US INTO ZZZ FROM THE SW DUE TO ALL THIS WX. AS WE WERE APCHING FORST INTXN; WE REQUESTED A DEV R OF COURSE. ZMA SAID SHE COULD ONLY APPROVE 15 MI R BECAUSE OF HAV AIRSPACE. I KNOW FROM OVER 20+ YRS OF FLYING THIS RTE THAT SHE COULD SIMPLY PICK UP THE PHONE AND ASK HAV FOR MORE. HOWEVER; THE CTLR WAS NOT VERY HELPFUL DUE TO THE FACT SHE WAS EXTREMELY BUSY WITH MANY ACFT DEVIATING. I HAD MY FO QUICKLY GET ON THE RADIO WITH HAV WHO QUICKLY GOT APPROVAL FOR OUR NEEDED WX DEV. I INFORMED MIA THAT WE GOT A CLRNC FROM HAV. SHE RESPONDED THAT HAV DID NOT APPROVE IT FOR HER. HAV SAID TO FLY DIRECT JOTAS WHEN ABLE. I CONTINUED TO INFORM MIA OF HAV'S INSTRUCTIONS. HAV CTR WAS VERY HELPFUL AND APPROVED OUR DEV. WE AVOIDED FLYING THROUGH SEVERE WX; AND I BELIEVE IT WAS A SAFE OP. THE REASON I'M WRITING THIS RPT IS BECAUSE THE MIA CTLR SEEMED UPSET. NOTE: AS WE APCHED JOTAS A DIFFERENT CTLR HAD TAKEN OVER AND THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THE DEV.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.