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Attributes | |
ACN | 760848 |
Time | |
Date | 200710 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : hmv.vortac |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl single value : 24000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : hardu |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 3150 flight time type : 2900 |
ASRS Report | 760848 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were without our FMS (MEL'ed) flying the hardu two arrival into cincinnati. We thought that when we got to DME 55 from hmv VOR we should turn right to intercept the 011 degree radial from vxv VOR. When we turned right the needle from the vxv VOR was full scale left. When this happened I called ZID and asked how far off the airway we were. He responded with 'I show you heading north at 240.' both the first officer and I were confused and unsure of our position. We looked at our charts to try to figure out our position. About the same time we got a TCAS alert ('traffic; traffic') that distraction us from figuring out our error. We then asked for a deviation around WX and the controller stated 'stand by; you are 35 mi off course and I need to coordinate every turn.' about that time we figured out our error. The 55 DME was the segment from packo and cheda (the turn point); not the total DME to cheda. We had simply mistaken 55 for D55 on the chart and turned at 55 DME instead of the 90 DME we should have. We eventually got our deviation and the rest of the flight was uneventful. I called ZID quality assurance when we arrived and explained what had happened. He stated that while we of course should not have turned; the controller 'didn't do you any favors' when you asked for help by asking for your position. The root cause was simply reading the chart incorrectly. I believe the causes of reading the chart incorrectly include: 1) fatigue (we are tired; but not enough to call out fatigued). 2) poor chart design. There should be a 'D90' on the chart for cheda; not just the segment distances. 3) we only have to fly 'green needles' without an FMS maybe once a yr at most. While of course we should know our charts; should we really be able to fly without an FMS when we only do it once about once a yr? It does reduce safety margins.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR CREW WITH AN MEL'ED FMS MISREAD A COMMERCIAL AIRWAY CHART AND TURNED AT 55 DME FROM A FIX INSTEAD OF AT A D55 FIX. CREW WAS FATIGUED.
Narrative: WE WERE WITHOUT OUR FMS (MEL'ED) FLYING THE HARDU TWO ARR INTO CINCINNATI. WE THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE GOT TO DME 55 FROM HMV VOR WE SHOULD TURN R TO INTERCEPT THE 011 DEG RADIAL FROM VXV VOR. WHEN WE TURNED R THE NEEDLE FROM THE VXV VOR WAS FULL SCALE L. WHEN THIS HAPPENED I CALLED ZID AND ASKED HOW FAR OFF THE AIRWAY WE WERE. HE RESPONDED WITH 'I SHOW YOU HDG N AT 240.' BOTH THE FO AND I WERE CONFUSED AND UNSURE OF OUR POS. WE LOOKED AT OUR CHARTS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT OUR POS. ABOUT THE SAME TIME WE GOT A TCAS ALERT ('TFC; TFC') THAT DISTR US FROM FIGURING OUT OUR ERROR. WE THEN ASKED FOR A DEV AROUND WX AND THE CTLR STATED 'STAND BY; YOU ARE 35 MI OFF COURSE AND I NEED TO COORDINATE EVERY TURN.' ABOUT THAT TIME WE FIGURED OUT OUR ERROR. THE 55 DME WAS THE SEGMENT FROM PACKO AND CHEDA (THE TURN POINT); NOT THE TOTAL DME TO CHEDA. WE HAD SIMPLY MISTAKEN 55 FOR D55 ON THE CHART AND TURNED AT 55 DME INSTEAD OF THE 90 DME WE SHOULD HAVE. WE EVENTUALLY GOT OUR DEV AND THE REST OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. I CALLED ZID QUALITY ASSURANCE WHEN WE ARRIVED AND EXPLAINED WHAT HAD HAPPENED. HE STATED THAT WHILE WE OF COURSE SHOULD NOT HAVE TURNED; THE CTLR 'DIDN'T DO YOU ANY FAVORS' WHEN YOU ASKED FOR HELP BY ASKING FOR YOUR POS. THE ROOT CAUSE WAS SIMPLY READING THE CHART INCORRECTLY. I BELIEVE THE CAUSES OF READING THE CHART INCORRECTLY INCLUDE: 1) FATIGUE (WE ARE TIRED; BUT NOT ENOUGH TO CALL OUT FATIGUED). 2) POOR CHART DESIGN. THERE SHOULD BE A 'D90' ON THE CHART FOR CHEDA; NOT JUST THE SEGMENT DISTANCES. 3) WE ONLY HAVE TO FLY 'GREEN NEEDLES' WITHOUT AN FMS MAYBE ONCE A YR AT MOST. WHILE OF COURSE WE SHOULD KNOW OUR CHARTS; SHOULD WE REALLY BE ABLE TO FLY WITHOUT AN FMS WHEN WE ONLY DO IT ONCE ABOUT ONCE A YR? IT DOES REDUCE SAFETY MARGINS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.