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Attributes | |
ACN | 761749 |
Time | |
Date | 200711 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower tracon : zzzz.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 761749 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time total : 1000 flight time type : 15 |
ASRS Report | 761748 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : turbulence non adherence : company policies other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | other other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Environmental Factor Weather Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was conducting IOE on a flight from ZZZ1 to ZZZ2. It was the first officer's 4TH flight and only his 2ND as PF. The ATIS before landing was calling for gusty winds from the northwest. The last wind callout before landing was about 310 degrees 18 KTS with no gusts called. The approach was stabilized and things appeared normal until the moment of flare -- crosswind correction. It appeared the first officer needed help with the flare. As I began to help him; due to possible changing winds and/or aileron input from the first officer; the left wing dropped considerably as the airplane had a moderately hard landing. I didn't immediately think that the wingtip had struck the ground; but while taxiing in I mentioned to the first officer that it might be a possibility. I inspected the left wing during the walkaround and discovered an abrasion on the underside. The first officer has obviously limited experience in the airplane. Due to his control inputs so close to the ground and the crosswind conditions; I was unable to correct the airplane's attitude quick enough. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter stated that the pilot receiving IOE was graded as good after flying two days with another instructor. The IOE pilot's flying skills with this reporter was said to be good and so he was surprised by this response to a fairly light gust. The instructor stated that the aircraft had floated slightly during the flare and just prior to touchdown was affected by a gust so slight that the reporter is not sure how much it actually changed the aircraft's flight path. The IOE pilot had about 1000 hours total time; about 300 hours multiengine time in light twins and about 15 hours in the CL65. His lack of experience caused him to over-react. The reporter stated that he is concerned about the level of experience in this air carrier's new hires; some of whom have 300 hours total time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PILOT ON HIS SECOND IOE FLT OVERCORRECTED FOR A WIND GUST AND STRUCK A WINGTIP AND OUTBOARD FLAP.
Narrative: I WAS CONDUCTING IOE ON A FLT FROM ZZZ1 TO ZZZ2. IT WAS THE FO'S 4TH FLT AND ONLY HIS 2ND AS PF. THE ATIS BEFORE LNDG WAS CALLING FOR GUSTY WINDS FROM THE NW. THE LAST WIND CALLOUT BEFORE LNDG WAS ABOUT 310 DEGS 18 KTS WITH NO GUSTS CALLED. THE APCH WAS STABILIZED AND THINGS APPEARED NORMAL UNTIL THE MOMENT OF FLARE -- XWIND CORRECTION. IT APPEARED THE FO NEEDED HELP WITH THE FLARE. AS I BEGAN TO HELP HIM; DUE TO POSSIBLE CHANGING WINDS AND/OR AILERON INPUT FROM THE FO; THE L WING DROPPED CONSIDERABLY AS THE AIRPLANE HAD A MODERATELY HARD LNDG. I DIDN'T IMMEDIATELY THINK THAT THE WINGTIP HAD STRUCK THE GND; BUT WHILE TAXIING IN I MENTIONED TO THE FO THAT IT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY. I INSPECTED THE L WING DURING THE WALKAROUND AND DISCOVERED AN ABRASION ON THE UNDERSIDE. THE FO HAS OBVIOUSLY LIMITED EXPERIENCE IN THE AIRPLANE. DUE TO HIS CTL INPUTS SO CLOSE TO THE GND AND THE XWIND CONDITIONS; I WAS UNABLE TO CORRECT THE AIRPLANE'S ATTITUDE QUICK ENOUGH. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE REPORTER STATED THAT THE PILOT RECEIVING IOE WAS GRADED AS GOOD AFTER FLYING TWO DAYS WITH ANOTHER INSTRUCTOR. THE IOE PILOT'S FLYING SKILLS WITH THIS REPORTER WAS SAID TO BE GOOD AND SO HE WAS SURPRISED BY THIS RESPONSE TO A FAIRLY LIGHT GUST. THE INSTRUCTOR STATED THAT THE ACFT HAD FLOATED SLIGHTLY DURING THE FLARE AND JUST PRIOR TO TOUCHDOWN WAS AFFECTED BY A GUST SO SLIGHT THAT THE REPORTER IS NOT SURE HOW MUCH IT ACTUALLY CHANGED THE ACFT'S FLT PATH. THE IOE PILOT HAD ABOUT 1000 HOURS TOTAL TIME; ABOUT 300 HOURS MULTIENGINE TIME IN LIGHT TWINS AND ABOUT 15 HOURS IN THE CL65. HIS LACK OF EXPERIENCE CAUSED HIM TO OVER-REACT. THE REPORTER STATED THAT HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS ACR'S NEW HIRES; SOME OF WHOM HAVE 300 HOURS TOTAL TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.