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Attributes | |
ACN | 336451 |
Time | |
Date | 199605 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : drk |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31800 msl bound upper : 33300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-8F |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 336451 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The captain was flying the airplane. While leveling off at FL330 we received a new route clearance from center for WX avoidance. I (first officer) looked down to grab my chart and when I looked back up, the captain was entering waypoints in the GPS. About that time, center asked us if we received clearance for FL370 from the previous controller. We were at FL333, 300 ft high. I responded stating that we had encountered turbulence and were correcting, at which time the captain pushed with heavy force, nose down, pitch to correct his mistake. We ended up with a 20 degree nose down pitch attitude and lost 1500 ft in altitude almost stalling the craft to check his descent. I have fully stalled a DC8 at both low altitude and at high altitude and it can get pretty interesting to say the least. I attribute these mistakes to his inexperience and possibly his basic procedural training. He forgot to listen closely at the time. Basic rules: 'one person flies' the other handles everything else, unless the person flying can't fly the airplane in that particular event. As for the recovery technique of being 300 ft high, he probably will not do it that way next time, which just proves the old adage, 'experience is the mother of all learning.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF A DC8-71F OVERCORRECTED AFTER OVERSHOOTING CRUISE ALT BY 300 FT. THE ASSIGNED ALT WAS THEN OVERSHOT ON DSCNT BY 1500 FT RESULTING IN ALMOST STALLING THE ACFT UPON RECOVERY FROM TOO SEVERE OF A PITCH OVER.
Narrative: THE CAPT WAS FLYING THE AIRPLANE. WHILE LEVELING OFF AT FL330 WE RECEIVED A NEW RTE CLRNC FROM CTR FOR WX AVOIDANCE. I (FO) LOOKED DOWN TO GRAB MY CHART AND WHEN I LOOKED BACK UP, THE CAPT WAS ENTERING WAYPOINTS IN THE GPS. ABOUT THAT TIME, CTR ASKED US IF WE RECEIVED CLRNC FOR FL370 FROM THE PREVIOUS CTLR. WE WERE AT FL333, 300 FT HIGH. I RESPONDED STATING THAT WE HAD ENCOUNTERED TURB AND WERE CORRECTING, AT WHICH TIME THE CAPT PUSHED WITH HVY FORCE, NOSE DOWN, PITCH TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKE. WE ENDED UP WITH A 20 DEG NOSE DOWN PITCH ATTITUDE AND LOST 1500 FT IN ALT ALMOST STALLING THE CRAFT TO CHK HIS DSCNT. I HAVE FULLY STALLED A DC8 AT BOTH LOW ALT AND AT HIGH ALT AND IT CAN GET PRETTY INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST. I ATTRIBUTE THESE MISTAKES TO HIS INEXPERIENCE AND POSSIBLY HIS BASIC PROCEDURAL TRAINING. HE FORGOT TO LISTEN CLOSELY AT THE TIME. BASIC RULES: 'ONE PERSON FLIES' THE OTHER HANDLES EVERYTHING ELSE, UNLESS THE PERSON FLYING CAN'T FLY THE AIRPLANE IN THAT PARTICULAR EVENT. AS FOR THE RECOVERY TECHNIQUE OF BEING 300 FT HIGH, HE PROBABLY WILL NOT DO IT THAT WAY NEXT TIME, WHICH JUST PROVES THE OLD ADAGE, 'EXPERIENCE IS THE MOTHER OF ALL LEARNING.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.