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Attributes | |
ACN | 764519 |
Time | |
Date | 200712 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 170/175 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : byp |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 764519 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 764518 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Switching to dfw approach; we had runway 17C set in the FMS. The controller told us that we would be using runway 17L. I started to set runway 17L into the FMS while the first officer put in the frequencys and set up his side for the new runway. The controller then gave us an instruction to fly heading 240 degrees at lemyn. The first officer read it back correctly while I was busy sequencing the STAR into the FMS. When one wants to simply swap a runway at dfw; the FMS puts in everything from lit (little rock) all the way to the runway. It takes a few moments to erase the 6 fixes to karla and resync it. While I was doing that I managed to spin in the 240 degree heading in the heading bug. By the time I got my side set up I did not remember the fix to turn to 240 degrees; so I asked the first officer if 'that was 240 heading at karla?' he said that it was correct; so at karla I went into heading mode; 240 degrees. A few moments later the controller caught our mistake and reclred us to lemyn; and then to draak on the approach. No other aircraft were in any danger due to this misunderstanding. Supplemental information from acn 764518: while operating as first officer; pilot monitoring; during flight to dfw we deviated from our assigned course while flying the bonham five arrival. Expecting and hoping for runway 17C on this slow morning we loaded and briefed that approach while inbound to the airport. Approaching karla we were handed off to regional approach. Checking in with approach we were instructed to fly heading 240 degrees off lemyn for runway 17L. After reading back the clearance I asked if we could get runway 17C instead and was curtly told no. I then went 'heads down' and proceeded to begin reloading the arrival into the FMS. I saw the captain loading the new runway so I loaded the new localizer frequency and began reviewing the new approach and setting up my side. During this time the captain asked me to reconfirm with him the 240 degree heading at karla. I believed he was simply asking to reconfirm the heading assignment and I said; 'yes heading 240.' he believed I was confirming both the heading and karla instead of lemyn as the fix to initiate heading mode. As a result of this breakdown in communication we deviated from our assigned course to covie then lemyn after karla.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR CREW APCHING DFW SET THE FMS UP FOR A 17C ARRIVAL. ATC ASSIGNED RWY 17L REQUIRING AN FMS PROGRAMMING CHANGE. CAPT DID FMS WORK AS PF AND MISSED A VECTOR HDG.
Narrative: SWITCHING TO DFW APCH; WE HAD RWY 17C SET IN THE FMS. THE CTLR TOLD US THAT WE WOULD BE USING RWY 17L. I STARTED TO SET RWY 17L INTO THE FMS WHILE THE FO PUT IN THE FREQS AND SET UP HIS SIDE FOR THE NEW RWY. THE CTLR THEN GAVE US AN INSTRUCTION TO FLY HDG 240 DEGS AT LEMYN. THE FO READ IT BACK CORRECTLY WHILE I WAS BUSY SEQUENCING THE STAR INTO THE FMS. WHEN ONE WANTS TO SIMPLY SWAP A RWY AT DFW; THE FMS PUTS IN EVERYTHING FROM LIT (LITTLE ROCK) ALL THE WAY TO THE RWY. IT TAKES A FEW MOMENTS TO ERASE THE 6 FIXES TO KARLA AND RESYNC IT. WHILE I WAS DOING THAT I MANAGED TO SPIN IN THE 240 DEG HDG IN THE HDG BUG. BY THE TIME I GOT MY SIDE SET UP I DID NOT REMEMBER THE FIX TO TURN TO 240 DEGS; SO I ASKED THE FO IF 'THAT WAS 240 HDG AT KARLA?' HE SAID THAT IT WAS CORRECT; SO AT KARLA I WENT INTO HDG MODE; 240 DEGS. A FEW MOMENTS LATER THE CTLR CAUGHT OUR MISTAKE AND RECLRED US TO LEMYN; AND THEN TO DRAAK ON THE APCH. NO OTHER ACFT WERE IN ANY DANGER DUE TO THIS MISUNDERSTANDING. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 764518: WHILE OPERATING AS FO; PLT MONITORING; DURING FLT TO DFW WE DEVIATED FROM OUR ASSIGNED COURSE WHILE FLYING THE BONHAM FIVE ARR. EXPECTING AND HOPING FOR RWY 17C ON THIS SLOW MORNING WE LOADED AND BRIEFED THAT APCH WHILE INBOUND TO THE ARPT. APCHING KARLA WE WERE HANDED OFF TO REGIONAL APCH. CHKING IN WITH APCH WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO FLY HDG 240 DEGS OFF LEMYN FOR RWY 17L. AFTER READING BACK THE CLRNC I ASKED IF WE COULD GET RWY 17C INSTEAD AND WAS CURTLY TOLD NO. I THEN WENT 'HEADS DOWN' AND PROCEEDED TO BEGIN RELOADING THE ARR INTO THE FMS. I SAW THE CAPT LOADING THE NEW RWY SO I LOADED THE NEW LOC FREQ AND BEGAN REVIEWING THE NEW APCH AND SETTING UP MY SIDE. DURING THIS TIME THE CAPT ASKED ME TO RECONFIRM WITH HIM THE 240 DEG HDG AT KARLA. I BELIEVED HE WAS SIMPLY ASKING TO RECONFIRM THE HDG ASSIGNMENT AND I SAID; 'YES HDG 240.' HE BELIEVED I WAS CONFIRMING BOTH THE HDG AND KARLA INSTEAD OF LEMYN AS THE FIX TO INITIATE HDG MODE. AS A RESULT OF THIS BREAKDOWN IN COM WE DEVIATED FROM OUR ASSIGNED COURSE TO COVIE THEN LEMYN AFTER KARLA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.