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Attributes | |
ACN | 767002 |
Time | |
Date | 200712 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : zzz.tracon tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 767002 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical altitude deviation : overshoot |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : stab warning clacker other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem flight crew : regained aircraft control |
Consequence | other |
Factors | |
Maintenance | performance deficiency : scheduled maintenance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
On initial climb out; the stabilizer trim aural warning sounded briefly. After flap retraction and completing the after takeoff checklist; we were leveling off at 4000 ft. The trim warning sounded again for a short time then stopped; and the first officer (PF) said he had a problem. The stabilizer trim appeared to be close to or at the full nose down position. It was not clear to me at this point whether we were dealing with a trim runaway or a stabilizer trim failure. I thought that the first officer was unable to maintain a level attitude so I took hold of the yoke also; to help pull back and keep the nose up. As I did that; I hit the stabilizer disc switch and disconnected both stabilizer channels. I attempted to reengage one of the channels. Thinking that one of the channels was causing the problem; I wanted to get trim capability back with the good channel. I engaged stabilizer ch 2 and the trim did not respond. I disconnected again and engaged stabilizer ch 1. With stabilizer ch 1 only engaged we got trim control back and returned the aircraft to a normal trim condition. I elected to continue to ZZZ1. We reviewed the QRH procedure for stabilizer trim runaway and stabilizer ch 2 inoperative; closely monitoring the stabilizer trim indications as we continued the flight to ZZZ1. There were no further problems. During the time from when the first officer said there was a problem to when we got back stabilizer trim capability; I had been communicating with the departure controller. I had let him know that we had a trim problem; we were working on it; and would take vectors back to the field when we could. He cleared us for altitude at our discretion. Initially we had been cleared to 4000 ft on departure; but while stabilizing the aircraft we had climbed to 4500 ft; and at one point accelerated to 270 KTS. First officer (PF) recognized aircraft handling problem. Control inputs to counteract the uncommanded nose down trim; then attempts to restore the stabilizer trim function. There was uncommanded movement of the stabilizer trim to the nose down position.callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated the first officer was flying at that time and using the pitch trim lever switch on the right thumb position of the co-pilot's control wheel. After leveling off at 4000 ft and the stabilizer trim warning 'clacker' going off; they were not sure if they were dealing with a horizontal stabilizer trim runaway or a stabilizer trim failure. Due to the stabilizer's uncommanded leading edge position; he recognized the first officer needed assistance in holding back the yoke to maintain level control with the elevators. Reporter realized the stabilizer warning 'clacker' was inconsistent; not a steady sound; but; on and then off; then on and off again. Normally the 'clacker' would sound after 3 seconds of stabilizer trim operation. However; this was only momentary and not consistent with a runway trim. No manual horizontal stabilizer trim wheel exists on this aircraft. All flight control position indications and messages; including the stabilizer trim position; are on the EICAS secondary display; center instrument panel. The EICAS stabilizer position indication doesn't always reflect real time position of the stabilizer trim. The stabilizer pitch trim are split rocker type switches; so both must 'go' (engage) before any command is initiated to the stabilizer. This design is the safety feature of the pitch trim. The stabilizer trim channel 1; channel 2 and the mach trim are push button switches on the center pedestal. Reporter also states he has experienced uncommanded disengaging of the stabilizer trim channels 1 and 2 with a master caution coming on on more than a few occasions. Maintenance informed him (reporter); they found the co-pilot's pitch trim split rocker switches on the control wheel had shorted and appeared corroded and the safety function wasn't even working. Reporter concluded with his concerns with the safety feature design if this split rocker switch can still subject the aircraft to uncommanded pitch trim inputs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CRJ-200 CAPT RPTS OF A UNCOMMANDED MOVEMENT OF THE HORIZ STAB TRIM TO THE NOSE DOWN POSITION ON CLBOUT AND AGAIN AFTER LEVELING OFF AT 4000 FT.
Narrative: ON INITIAL CLB OUT; THE STAB TRIM AURAL WARNING SOUNDED BRIEFLY. AFTER FLAP RETRACTION AND COMPLETING THE AFTER TAKEOFF CHECKLIST; WE WERE LEVELING OFF AT 4000 FT. THE TRIM WARNING SOUNDED AGAIN FOR A SHORT TIME THEN STOPPED; AND THE FO (PF) SAID HE HAD A PROBLEM. THE STAB TRIM APPEARED TO BE CLOSE TO OR AT THE FULL NOSE DOWN POSITION. IT WAS NOT CLR TO ME AT THIS POINT WHETHER WE WERE DEALING WITH A TRIM RUNAWAY OR A STAB TRIM FAILURE. I THOUGHT THAT THE FO WAS UNABLE TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL ATTITUDE SO I TOOK HOLD OF THE YOKE ALSO; TO HELP PULL BACK AND KEEP THE NOSE UP. AS I DID THAT; I HIT THE STAB DISC SWITCH AND DISCONNECTED BOTH STAB CHANNELS. I ATTEMPTED TO REENGAGE ONE OF THE CHANNELS. THINKING THAT ONE OF THE CHANNELS WAS CAUSING THE PROBLEM; I WANTED TO GET TRIM CAPABILITY BACK WITH THE GOOD CHANNEL. I ENGAGED STAB CH 2 AND THE TRIM DID NOT RESPOND. I DISCONNECTED AGAIN AND ENGAGED STAB CH 1. WITH STAB CH 1 ONLY ENGAGED WE GOT TRIM CONTROL BACK AND RETURNED THE ACFT TO A NORMAL TRIM CONDITION. I ELECTED TO CONTINUE TO ZZZ1. WE REVIEWED THE QRH PROC FOR STAB TRIM RUNAWAY AND STAB CH 2 INOP; CLOSELY MONITORING THE STAB TRIM INDICATIONS AS WE CONTINUED THE FLT TO ZZZ1. THERE WERE NO FURTHER PROBLEMS. DURING THE TIME FROM WHEN THE FO SAID THERE WAS A PROBLEM TO WHEN WE GOT BACK STAB TRIM CAPABILITY; I HAD BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE DEP CTLR. I HAD LET HIM KNOW THAT WE HAD A TRIM PROBLEM; WE WERE WORKING ON IT; AND WOULD TAKE VECTORS BACK TO THE FIELD WHEN WE COULD. HE CLRED US FOR ALTITUDE AT OUR DISCRETION. INITIALLY WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO 4000 FT ON DEP; BUT WHILE STABILIZING THE ACFT WE HAD CLBED TO 4500 FT; AND AT ONE POINT ACCELERATED TO 270 KTS. FO (PF) RECOGNIZED ACFT HANDLING PROBLEM. CONTROL INPUTS TO COUNTERACT THE UNCOMMANDED NOSE DOWN TRIM; THEN ATTEMPTS TO RESTORE THE STAB TRIM FUNCTION. THERE WAS UNCOMMANDED MOVEMENT OF THE STABILIZER TRIM TO THE NOSE DOWN POSITION.CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THE FO WAS FLYING AT THAT TIME AND USING THE PITCH TRIM LEVER SWITCH ON THE RIGHT THUMB POSITION OF THE CO-PILOT'S CONTROL WHEEL. AFTER LEVELING OFF AT 4000 FT AND THE STAB TRIM WARNING 'CLACKER' GOING OFF; THEY WERE NOT SURE IF THEY WERE DEALING WITH A HORIZ STAB TRIM RUNAWAY OR A STAB TRIM FAILURE. DUE TO THE STAB'S UNCOMMANDED LEADING EDGE POSITION; HE RECOGNIZED THE FO NEEDED ASSISTANCE IN HOLDING BACK THE YOKE TO MAINTAIN LEVEL CONTROL WITH THE ELEVATORS. RPTR REALIZED THE STAB WARNING 'CLACKER' WAS INCONSISTENT; NOT A STEADY SOUND; BUT; ON AND THEN OFF; THEN ON AND OFF AGAIN. NORMALLY THE 'CLACKER' WOULD SOUND AFTER 3 SECONDS OF STAB TRIM OPERATION. HOWEVER; THIS WAS ONLY MOMENTARY AND NOT CONSISTENT WITH A RWY TRIM. NO MANUAL HORIZ STAB TRIM WHEEL EXISTS ON THIS ACFT. ALL FLT CONTROL POSITION INDICATIONS AND MESSAGES; INCLUDING THE STAB TRIM POSITION; ARE ON THE EICAS SECONDARY DISPLAY; CENTER INSTRUMENT PANEL. THE EICAS STAB POSITION INDICATION DOESN'T ALWAYS REFLECT REAL TIME POSITION OF THE STAB TRIM. THE STAB PITCH TRIM ARE SPLIT ROCKER TYPE SWITCHES; SO BOTH MUST 'GO' (ENGAGE) BEFORE ANY COMMAND IS INITIATED TO THE STAB. THIS DESIGN IS THE SAFETY FEATURE OF THE PITCH TRIM. THE STAB TRIM CHANNEL 1; CHANNEL 2 AND THE MACH TRIM ARE PUSH BUTTON SWITCHES ON THE CENTER PEDESTAL. RPTR ALSO STATES HE HAS EXPERIENCED UNCOMMANDED DISENGAGING OF THE STAB TRIM CHANNELS 1 AND 2 WITH A MASTER CAUTION COMING ON ON MORE THAN A FEW OCCASIONS. MAINT INFORMED HIM (RPTR); THEY FOUND THE CO-PILOT'S PITCH TRIM SPLIT ROCKER SWITCHES ON THE CONTROL WHEEL HAD SHORTED AND APPEARED CORRODED AND THE SAFETY FUNCTION WASN'T EVEN WORKING. RPTR CONCLUDED WITH HIS CONCERNS WITH THE SAFETY FEATURE DESIGN IF THIS SPLIT ROCKER SWITCH CAN STILL SUBJECT THE ACFT TO UNCOMMANDED PITCH TRIM INPUTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.