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Attributes | |
ACN | 768269 |
Time | |
Date | 200801 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1300 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Learjet 45 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : dalton |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 768269 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
After de-icing aircraft; we asked for taxi clearance. The ground controller assigned us runway 19 with the dalton departure procedure instead of the teb 5; which we were originally assigned. He also stated that runway 24 was now closed. With the original clearance; we were assigned 3000 ft for the initial altitude. While taxiing out; the tower cleared us for takeoff before we reached the end and we told the tower we need more time. I then reviewed the procedure and briefed the captain. On contact with departure; I read our current altitude and altitude climbing to which was 3000 ft. When departure responded; she said something about VFR and resume normal speed. I read back resume normal speed and being unsure about what else she said; I also read back 3000 ft. She then responded maintain 3000 ft. She also stated that she never assigned us 3000 ft previously and that I read it back without being assigned that altitude. I now realize that I got 3000 ft from the original clearance. Upon receiving the dalton departure; we were supposed to maintain 1300 ft and maintain VFR. The captain and I both think we were below 1300 ft when she assigned us 3000 ft. Not sure an event occurred. Without the further climb clearance to 3000 ft; an event would have occurred. The ATC controller told us to better review the procedure. Misunderstanding the departure procedure altitude. Briefing the captain the wrong altitude while he was taxiing in the dark. Being pressed for time; captain did not review the chart and verify the altitude. Better review of the procedure. Be more vigilant when there are last minute changes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A LR45 ON THE TEB DALTON DEP CLBED 3000 FT INSTEAD OF 1300 FT AS CLRED BECAUSE OF A MISSED TKOF BRIEF. ATC CLRED THEM TO 3000 FT WITHOUT COMMENT.
Narrative: AFTER DE-ICING ACFT; WE ASKED FOR TAXI CLRNC. THE GND CTLR ASSIGNED US RWY 19 WITH THE DALTON DEP PROC INSTEAD OF THE TEB 5; WHICH WE WERE ORIGINALLY ASSIGNED. HE ALSO STATED THAT RWY 24 WAS NOW CLOSED. WITH THE ORIGINAL CLRNC; WE WERE ASSIGNED 3000 FT FOR THE INITIAL ALTITUDE. WHILE TAXIING OUT; THE TOWER CLRED US FOR TAKEOFF BEFORE WE REACHED THE END AND WE TOLD THE TOWER WE NEED MORE TIME. I THEN REVIEWED THE PROC AND BRIEFED THE CAPT. ON CONTACT WITH DEP; I READ OUR CURRENT ALTITUDE AND ALTITUDE CLBING TO WHICH WAS 3000 FT. WHEN DEP RESPONDED; SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT VFR AND RESUME NORMAL SPEED. I READ BACK RESUME NORMAL SPEED AND BEING UNSURE ABOUT WHAT ELSE SHE SAID; I ALSO READ BACK 3000 FT. SHE THEN RESPONDED MAINTAIN 3000 FT. SHE ALSO STATED THAT SHE NEVER ASSIGNED US 3000 FT PREVIOUSLY AND THAT I READ IT BACK WITHOUT BEING ASSIGNED THAT ALTITUDE. I NOW REALIZE THAT I GOT 3000 FT FROM THE ORIGINAL CLRNC. UPON RECEIVING THE DALTON DEP; WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN 1300 FT AND MAINTAIN VFR. THE CAPT AND I BOTH THINK WE WERE BELOW 1300 FT WHEN SHE ASSIGNED US 3000 FT. NOT SURE AN EVENT OCCURRED. WITHOUT THE FURTHER CLB CLRNC TO 3000 FT; AN EVENT WOULD HAVE OCCURRED. THE ATC CTLR TOLD US TO BETTER REVIEW THE PROC. MISUNDERSTANDING THE DEP PROC ALTITUDE. BRIEFING THE CAPT THE WRONG ALTITUDE WHILE HE WAS TAXIING IN THE DARK. BEING PRESSED FOR TIME; CAPT DID NOT REVIEW THE CHART AND VERIFY THE ALTITUDE. BETTER REVIEW OF THE PROC. BE MORE VIGILANT WHEN THERE ARE LAST MINUTE CHANGES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.