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Crj flight crew is instructed to exceed far speed maximum of 250 KTS below 10000 ft; by N90 controller. Flight crew declined controller request.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 768872 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200801 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : cri.vor |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : kennedy one |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 10000 |
| ASRS Report | 768872 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 768874 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were climbing out on the kennedy 1 departure; breezy point climb. Climbing through about 6000 ft; the controller asked us for maximum forward speed and to not wait for 10000 ft. I thought I had misunderstood the controller; so I read back 'maximum speed' at 10000 ft. The controller corrected me and made it clear he wanted me to increase speed now. I told the controller we were unable. He asked if it was for a legal reason or an operational reason. I told him it was for legal reasons. I was then told by the controller that he was telling me to increase my speed and would take the 'heat' from doing so. I did not wish to get into a verbal exchange with the controller over the FARS. We did not comply with his request until 10000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CRJ FLT CREW IS INSTRUCTED TO EXCEED FAR SPEED MAX OF 250 KTS BELOW 10000 FT; BY N90 CTLR. FLT CREW DECLINED CTLR REQUEST.
Narrative: WE WERE CLBING OUT ON THE KENNEDY 1 DEP; BREEZY POINT CLB. CLBING THROUGH ABOUT 6000 FT; THE CTLR ASKED US FOR MAX FORWARD SPD AND TO NOT WAIT FOR 10000 FT. I THOUGHT I HAD MISUNDERSTOOD THE CTLR; SO I READ BACK 'MAX SPD' AT 10000 FT. THE CTLR CORRECTED ME AND MADE IT CLR HE WANTED ME TO INCREASE SPD NOW. I TOLD THE CTLR WE WERE UNABLE. HE ASKED IF IT WAS FOR A LEGAL REASON OR AN OPERATIONAL REASON. I TOLD HIM IT WAS FOR LEGAL REASONS. I WAS THEN TOLD BY THE CTLR THAT HE WAS TELLING ME TO INCREASE MY SPD AND WOULD TAKE THE 'HEAT' FROM DOING SO. I DID NOT WISH TO GET INTO A VERBAL EXCHANGE WITH THE CTLR OVER THE FARS. WE DID NOT COMPLY WITH HIS REQUEST UNTIL 10000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.