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Attributes | |
ACN | 774863 |
Time | |
Date | 200802 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : iad.airport |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl single value : 18000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : coatt |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | controller : combined local |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 130 |
ASRS Report | 774863 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was operating as the first officer on flight to iad. We were assigned the coatt 4 arrival into iad. Prior to reaching fak; the controller cleared us for the barin 1 arrival. After confirming this change; I immediately began to update the arrival in the box. The captain instructed me not to change the arrival because he felt that they were essentially the same arrival and he also expressed his opinion that changing the box during that phase of flight was dangerous. I told him that although the arrs are similar; I felt that they had changed us for a reason and should update the box. He became very passionate about not changing it and ordered me not to do so. As a probationary pilot; I felt very torn in this situation; as I knew not changing it was wrong; but to pursue the issue would have led to a verbal altercation. The arrival was not changed and sure enough the approach controllers were on our case regarding our position shortly after barin. Although I do not believe that separation was lost between us and any other aircraft; I do feel that the captain's attitude and the tone that he set was very detrimental to the overall safe operation of this flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A319 CAPT ORDERED THE FO NOT TO CHANGE AN IAD STAR IN THE FMC AFTER ATC ISSUED A RTE CHANGE. A TRACK DEV AND CREW CONFLICT RESULTED.
Narrative: I WAS OPERATING AS THE FO ON FLT TO IAD. WE WERE ASSIGNED THE COATT 4 ARR INTO IAD. PRIOR TO REACHING FAK; THE CTLR CLRED US FOR THE BARIN 1 ARR. AFTER CONFIRMING THIS CHANGE; I IMMEDIATELY BEGAN TO UPDATE THE ARR IN THE BOX. THE CAPT INSTRUCTED ME NOT TO CHANGE THE ARR BECAUSE HE FELT THAT THEY WERE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME ARR AND HE ALSO EXPRESSED HIS OPINION THAT CHANGING THE BOX DURING THAT PHASE OF FLT WAS DANGEROUS. I TOLD HIM THAT ALTHOUGH THE ARRS ARE SIMILAR; I FELT THAT THEY HAD CHANGED US FOR A REASON AND SHOULD UPDATE THE BOX. HE BECAME VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT NOT CHANGING IT AND ORDERED ME NOT TO DO SO. AS A PROBATIONARY PLT; I FELT VERY TORN IN THIS SITUATION; AS I KNEW NOT CHANGING IT WAS WRONG; BUT TO PURSUE THE ISSUE WOULD HAVE LED TO A VERBAL ALTERCATION. THE ARR WAS NOT CHANGED AND SURE ENOUGH THE APCH CTLRS WERE ON OUR CASE REGARDING OUR POS SHORTLY AFTER BARIN. ALTHOUGH I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT SEPARATION WAS LOST BTWN US AND ANY OTHER ACFT; I DO FEEL THAT THE CAPT'S ATTITUDE AND THE TONE THAT HE SET WAS VERY DETRIMENTAL TO THE OVERALL SAFE OP OF THIS FLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.