<< >> NASA ASRS Report 775332, February 2008

DA20 flight crew is informed by N90 controller that they have exceeded 1500 ft prior to 4.5 DME on the teb 5 departure; flight crew disagrees.

Attributes
ACN	775332
Time
Date	200802
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : teb.airport
State Reference	NJ
Altitude	msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 2000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90.tracon
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Falcon 20FJF/20C/20D/20E/20F
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	climbout : initial
Route In Use	departure sid : teb
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 300
ASRS Report	775332
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : departure
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

Teb 5 departure; runway 24. Runway heading 1500 ft; then right turn 280 degrees; 1500 ft to 4.5 DME off teb; then climb 2000 ft. Upon departure from teb following noise abatement and departure procedures we had reached beyond 4.5 DME so we continued up to 2000 ft. The departure controller said/asked our altitude and we said 2000 ft. He said we should have been at 1500 ft but we were already beyond 4.5 at which point 2000 ft is the departure altitude. He promptly came back and told us to continue climb to 7000 or 8000 ft and gave us a heading for climb. Then we were handed off to another controller.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DA20 FLT CREW IS INFORMED BY N90 CTLR THAT THEY HAVE EXCEEDED 1500 FT PRIOR TO 4.5 DME ON THE TEB 5 DEP; FLT CREW DISAGREES.

Narrative: TEB 5 DEP; RWY 24. RWY HDG 1500 FT; THEN R TURN 280 DEGS; 1500 FT TO 4.5 DME OFF TEB; THEN CLB 2000 FT. UPON DEP FROM TEB FOLLOWING NOISE ABATEMENT AND DEP PROCS WE HAD REACHED BEYOND 4.5 DME SO WE CONTINUED UP TO 2000 FT. THE DEP CTLR SAID/ASKED OUR ALT AND WE SAID 2000 FT. HE SAID WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT 1500 FT BUT WE WERE ALREADY BEYOND 4.5 AT WHICH POINT 2000 FT IS THE DEP ALT. HE PROMPTLY CAME BACK AND TOLD US TO CONTINUE CLB TO 7000 OR 8000 FT AND GAVE US A HDG FOR CLB. THEN WE WERE HANDED OFF TO ANOTHER CTLR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.