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Attributes | |
ACN | 779568 |
Time | |
Date | 200803 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ege.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 16500 flight time type : 4800 |
ASRS Report | 779568 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2700 |
ASRS Report | 779583 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was the captain on flight abc from eagle; co (ege) on mar/xa/08. We departed ege on runway 25 at XA05 on the air carrier tailored departure; with an initial altitude of 15000 ft MSL. The departure procedure calls for a left turn after takeoff to 215 degrees to first fix; and after passing 10000 ft MSL or the second fix (whichever occurs last); execute a right turn direct jesie. The first fix occurs before second; we were IFR; cleaning up the aircraft and approximately 1 NM south of the second fix at 12500 ft MSL before we started our turn to jesie. At the time we started the turn; the aircraft was still tracking on the engine-out portion of the departure procedure. We were queried by ZDV about our position and told to turn right direct jesie (which we were doing) and climb to FL230. We were then informed of a possible pilot deviation. I have noticed that the tailored departure depiction is somewhat confusing with both the normal and engine-out procedures being printed on the same page. Also; ZDV stated that the aspen-pitkin county airport class D airspace begins approximately 3 NM south of the second fix; but this boundary is not depicted on the departure chart. The boundary is shown on the localizer FMS runway 25 approach plate.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLT CREW HAS TRACK DEV DEPARTING EGE ON ACR TAILORED SID WHICH ALSO DEPICTS ENGINE OUT PROCEDURES.
Narrative: I WAS THE CAPT ON FLT ABC FROM EAGLE; CO (EGE) ON MAR/XA/08. WE DEPARTED EGE ON RWY 25 AT XA05 ON THE ACR TAILORED DEP; WITH AN INITIAL ALT OF 15000 FT MSL. THE DEP PROC CALLS FOR A L TURN AFTER TKOF TO 215 DEGS TO FIRST FIX; AND AFTER PASSING 10000 FT MSL OR THE SECOND FIX (WHICHEVER OCCURS LAST); EXECUTE A R TURN DIRECT JESIE. THE FIRST FIX OCCURS BEFORE SECOND; WE WERE IFR; CLEANING UP THE ACFT AND APPROX 1 NM S OF THE SECOND FIX AT 12500 FT MSL BEFORE WE STARTED OUR TURN TO JESIE. AT THE TIME WE STARTED THE TURN; THE ACFT WAS STILL TRACKING ON THE ENG-OUT PORTION OF THE DEP PROC. WE WERE QUERIED BY ZDV ABOUT OUR POS AND TOLD TO TURN R DIRECT JESIE (WHICH WE WERE DOING) AND CLB TO FL230. WE WERE THEN INFORMED OF A POSSIBLE PLTDEV. I HAVE NOTICED THAT THE TAILORED DEP DEPICTION IS SOMEWHAT CONFUSING WITH BOTH THE NORMAL AND ENG-OUT PROCS BEING PRINTED ON THE SAME PAGE. ALSO; ZDV STATED THAT THE ASPEN-PITKIN COUNTY ARPT CLASS D AIRSPACE BEGINS APPROX 3 NM S OF THE SECOND FIX; BUT THIS BOUNDARY IS NOT DEPICTED ON THE DEP CHART. THE BOUNDARY IS SHOWN ON THE LOC FMS RWY 25 APCH PLATE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.