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Attributes | |
ACN | 782748 |
Time | |
Date | 200804 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : minow |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl single value : 31000 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Rain Thunderstorm |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhu.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 782748 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Weather |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were at cruise altitude deviating around WX near minow intersection. We told ATC we needed 20 more mi east of course. ATC said unable. When we asked why; we were told 'to stay clear of area 174.' we checked and it seemed we were well clear of that area. We asked if he could do a pointout and he flatly refused. ATC said if we didn't like the WX; we could reverse course. As far as I could tell; we were not as far east as epson; although it's hard to tell when you're deviating. I felt as if I was a burden to the controller and got nothing along the lines of service from him. He put us in a situation where we either had to go through the WX as best as we could or go to miami. Neither choice was a good one.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A300 AT FL310 WITH ZHU EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING CTLR'S UNWILLINGNESS TO PROVIDE SERVICE DURING WX AVOIDANCE PROCS.
Narrative: WE WERE AT CRUISE ALT DEVIATING AROUND WX NEAR MINOW INTXN. WE TOLD ATC WE NEEDED 20 MORE MI E OF COURSE. ATC SAID UNABLE. WHEN WE ASKED WHY; WE WERE TOLD 'TO STAY CLR OF AREA 174.' WE CHKED AND IT SEEMED WE WERE WELL CLR OF THAT AREA. WE ASKED IF HE COULD DO A POINTOUT AND HE FLATLY REFUSED. ATC SAID IF WE DIDN'T LIKE THE WX; WE COULD REVERSE COURSE. AS FAR AS I COULD TELL; WE WERE NOT AS FAR E AS EPSON; ALTHOUGH IT'S HARD TO TELL WHEN YOU'RE DEVIATING. I FELT AS IF I WAS A BURDEN TO THE CTLR AND GOT NOTHING ALONG THE LINES OF SVC FROM HIM. HE PUT US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE EITHER HAD TO GO THROUGH THE WX AS BEST AS WE COULD OR GO TO MIAMI. NEITHER CHOICE WAS A GOOD ONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.