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Attributes | |
ACN | 783930 |
Time | |
Date | 200804 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : soldo |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 7100 flight time type : 3700 |
ASRS Report | 783930 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 783368 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Situations | |
Chart | sid : soldo |
Narrative:
My first officer and I were assigned the soldo 2 departure off of runway 17R at dfw. My company has recently switched commercial approach plate vendors. The pages that cover that departure are three different pages which caused us confusion. It directs a heading of 174 degrees then gives different information on several runways but not runway 17R. The first officer and I discussed this information prior to taxi and departure. We maintained the 174 degree heading and a very strong crosswind of 90 KTS blew us east. The controller called and asked us about the assigned departure and he gave us a heading of 090 degrees. He also told us a possible deviation occurred. I tried to explain the confusing departure procedure. I think commercial chart company needs to review this departure and place it on fewer pages. We did not intentionally break any rules.callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter stated that the departure chart gives a heading after departure and then a specific procedure for each runway except 17R. This omission led the crew to believe that heading 174 should be maintained until a vector heading is assigned. The major issue is that each runway does not have a procedure clearly and discretely described different from the other runways.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR PILOT DEPARTED FROM DFW RWY 17R ON THE SOLDO TWO AND FAILED TO TURN AT THE TREXX WAYPOINT. THE COMMERCIAL NAV CHART IN USE DID NOT SPECIFY THE TURN CLEARLY.
Narrative: MY FO AND I WERE ASSIGNED THE SOLDO 2 DEPARTURE OFF OF RWY 17R AT DFW. MY COMPANY HAS RECENTLY SWITCHED COMMERCIAL APPROACH PLATE VENDORS. THE PAGES THAT COVER THAT DEPARTURE ARE THREE DIFFERENT PAGES WHICH CAUSED US CONFUSION. IT DIRECTS A HEADING OF 174 DEGS THEN GIVES DIFFERENT INFORMATION ON SEVERAL RWYS BUT NOT RWY 17R. THE FIRST OFFICER AND I DISCUSSED THIS INFORMATION PRIOR TO TAXI AND DEPARTURE. WE MAINTAINED THE 174 DEG HEADING AND A VERY STRONG CROSSWIND OF 90 KTS BLEW US EAST. THE CONTROLLER CALLED AND ASKED US ABOUT THE ASSIGNED DEPARTURE AND HE GAVE US A HEADING OF 090 DEGS. HE ALSO TOLD US A POSSIBLE DEVIATION OCCURRED. I TRIED TO EXPLAIN THE CONFUSING DEPARTURE PROCEDURE. I THINK COMMERCIAL CHART COMPANY NEEDS TO REVIEW THIS DEPARTURE AND PLACE IT ON FEWER PAGES. WE DID NOT INTENTIONALLY BREAK ANY RULES.CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE REPORTER STATED THAT THE DEPARTURE CHART GIVES A HEADING AFTER DEPARTURE AND THEN A SPECIFIC PROCEDURE FOR EACH RWY EXCEPT 17R. THIS OMISSION LED THE CREW TO BELIEVE THAT HDG 174 SHOULD BE MAINTAINED UNTIL A VECTOR HDG IS ASSIGNED. THE MAJOR ISSUE IS THAT EACH RWY DOES NOT HAVE A PROCEDURE CLEARLY AND DISCRETELY DESCRIBED DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER RWYS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.