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Attributes | |
ACN | 784415 |
Time | |
Date | 200804 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 199 |
ASRS Report | 784415 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Dispatch release said non-standard routing; but still filed on loop departure. First officer got pre departure clearance and missed a change to departure SID. Wording said - oshnn 3 - ; then next line said lax loop 4 dag J9 mlf delta 2 slc. Perhaps confusion expecting to see loop departure; and there it was. I never looked at pre departure clearance pg; and also was expecting loop; so did not question flight brief item on departure clearance. On departure; being vectored by socal; they then cleared us to point on oshnn departure. As pm I said we were on loop. They said should be on oshnn. They gave us another vector; told us to set up for oshnn; and then cleared us to sli on oshnn. Nothing more said. No deviations; just expecting vectors to a different departure. More attention to detail; especially when 'non standard routing' is on flight plan.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW FAIL TO FULLY READ PDC CLRNC. DEP CTLR RE-CLEARS.
Narrative: DISPATCH RELEASE SAID NON-STD ROUTING; BUT STILL FILED ON LOOP DEPARTURE. FO GOT PDC AND MISSED A CHANGE TO DEP SID. WORDING SAID - OSHNN 3 - ; THEN NEXT LINE SAID LAX LOOP 4 DAG J9 MLF DELTA 2 SLC. PERHAPS CONFUSION EXPECTING TO SEE LOOP DEPARTURE; AND THERE IT WAS. I NEVER LOOKED AT PDC PG; AND ALSO WAS EXPECTING LOOP; SO DID NOT QUESTION FLIGHT BRIEF ITEM ON DEPARTURE CLEARANCE. ON DEPARTURE; BEING VECTORED BY SOCAL; THEY THEN CLEARED US TO POINT ON OSHNN DEPARTURE. AS PM I SAID WE WERE ON LOOP. THEY SAID SHOULD BE ON OSHNN. THEY GAVE US ANOTHER VECTOR; TOLD US TO SET UP FOR OSHNN; AND THEN CLEARED US TO SLI ON OSHNN. NOTHING MORE SAID. NO DEVIATIONS; JUST EXPECTING VECTORS TO A DIFFERENT DEPARTURE. MORE ATTENTION TO DETAIL; ESPECIALLY WHEN 'NON STD ROUTING' IS ON FLIGHT PLAN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.