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Attributes | |
ACN | 785619 |
Time | |
Date | 200805 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : las.airport |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer instruction : instructor |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 4900 |
ASRS Report | 785619 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : trainee oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : turbulence non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Situations | |
Airport | markings : las.airport |
Narrative:
Inbound to las had unplanned/unexpected holding. Due winds and windshears las was stopping arrivals and departures. Initial operating experience captain wanted extra fuel at planning so we did have fuel to hold for a while. Worked with dispatch for an 'escape' plan. Dispatch suggested ZZZ1 or ZZZ2. Both would have been low fuel arrivals (ZZZ1 with 3.0; ZZZ2 with 2.0). Other carriers were diverting to ZZZ3. We could not find plates or data for ZZZ3. Las approach took arrivals and we were vectored for a visual to runway 19L. Vector was close and high due conflicts with nellis AFB traffic. This was an aggressive plan and approach. Initial operating experience captain had the plane stable at 500 ft. Winds changed abruptly in the flare and float result ed. Las runway 19L has little to zero paint markings and line check airman felt they had floated nearly 3000 ft down the runway. As line check airman voiced it's too late to land; 'go around;' the initial operating experience captain had selected toga and we touched down. Then the initial operating experience captain slammed the throttles closed and the plane decelerated. Medium braking stopped the plane with ample runway remaining. Taxi uneventful to parking. Factors. Runway 19L at las has very poor markings. Line check airman could not determine distance down the runway and determined a go-around was in order. Initial operating experience captain made correct go around assessment initially. Initial operating experience captain was task saturated. Line check airman gave too much information and on de-brief discovered that the initial operating experience captain thought the line check airman was saying it was too late to go-around. Due to poor markings there was more remaining runway than crew initially determined. Destination weather was significantly worse than forecast. Approach and landing planning was dynamic and required an aggressive plan and execution. Available known airports were at the extreme limits of fuel supply. Military base -- nellis -- was also impacted and very busy.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 FLT CREW NEARLY INITIATED AN UNNECESSARY GAR IN GUSTY CONDITIONS; ALLEGING THAT LAS 19L RWY MARKINGS ARE NOT CLEAR ENOUGH TO DETERMINE DISTANCE DOWN THE RWY.
Narrative: INBOUND TO LAS HAD UNPLANNED/UNEXPECTED HOLDING. DUE WINDS AND WINDSHEARS LAS WAS STOPPING ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES. INITIAL OPERATING EXPERIENCE CAPTAIN WANTED EXTRA FUEL AT PLANNING SO WE DID HAVE FUEL TO HOLD FOR A WHILE. WORKED WITH DISPATCH FOR AN 'ESCAPE' PLAN. DISPATCH SUGGESTED ZZZ1 OR ZZZ2. BOTH WOULD HAVE BEEN LOW FUEL ARRIVALS (ZZZ1 WITH 3.0; ZZZ2 WITH 2.0). OTHER CARRIERS WERE DIVERTING TO ZZZ3. WE COULD NOT FIND PLATES OR DATA FOR ZZZ3. LAS APPROACH TOOK ARRIVALS AND WE WERE VECTORED FOR A VISUAL TO RWY 19L. VECTOR WAS CLOSE AND HIGH DUE CONFLICTS WITH NELLIS AFB TRAFFIC. THIS WAS AN AGGRESSIVE PLAN AND APPROACH. INITIAL OPERATING EXPERIENCE CAPTAIN HAD THE PLANE STABLE AT 500 FT. WINDS CHANGED ABRUPTLY IN THE FLARE AND FLOAT RESULT ED. LAS RWY 19L HAS LITTLE TO ZERO PAINT MARKINGS AND LINE CHK AIRMAN FELT THEY HAD FLOATED NEARLY 3000 FT DOWN THE RUNWAY. AS LINE CHK AIRMAN VOICED IT'S TOO LATE TO LAND; 'GO AROUND;' THE INITIAL OPERATING EXPERIENCE CAPTAIN HAD SELECTED TOGA AND WE TOUCHED DOWN. THEN THE INITIAL OPERATING EXPERIENCE CAPTAIN SLAMMED THE THROTTLES CLOSED AND THE PLANE DECELERATED. MEDIUM BRAKING STOPPED THE PLANE WITH AMPLE RUNWAY REMAINING. TAXI UNEVENTFUL TO PARKING. FACTORS. RWY 19L AT LAS HAS VERY POOR MARKINGS. LINE CHK AIRMAN COULD NOT DETERMINE DISTANCE DOWN THE RUNWAY AND DETERMINED A GO-AROUND WAS IN ORDER. INITIAL OPERATING EXPERIENCE CAPTAIN MADE CORRECT GO AROUND ASSESSMENT INITIALLY. INITIAL OPERATING EXPERIENCE CAPTAIN WAS TASK SATURATED. LINE CHK AIRMAN GAVE TOO MUCH INFORMATION AND ON DE-BRIEF DISCOVERED THAT THE INITIAL OPERATING EXPERIENCE CAPTAIN THOUGHT THE LINE CHK AIRMAN WAS SAYING IT WAS TOO LATE TO GO-AROUND. DUE TO POOR MARKINGS THERE WAS MORE REMAINING RUNWAY THAN CREW INITIALLY DETERMINED. DESTINATION WEATHER WAS SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE THAN FORECAST. APPROACH AND LANDING PLANNING WAS DYNAMIC AND REQUIRED AN AGGRESSIVE PLAN AND EXECUTION. AVAILABLE KNOWN AIRPORTS WERE AT THE EXTREME LIMITS OF FUEL SUPPLY. MILITARY BASE -- NELLIS -- WAS ALSO IMPACTED AND VERY BUSY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.