An air carrier flight crew missed the speed restriction at fogog on the honie arrival into atl.

Attributes
ACN	787679
Time
Date	200805
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : atl.airport
State Reference	GA
Altitude	msl single value : 14000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : a80.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Regional Jet CL65 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	descent : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	arrival star : honie
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 2500
ASRS Report	787679
Person 2
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : approach
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other other : 2
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication
Primary Problem	Ambiguous

Narrative:

We were on the honie 5 arrival into atl. My first officer was the PF. We were instructed to cross honie at 250 KTS and 14000 ft; which we did. As we approached fogog; my first officer asked if we should slow to 210 KTS and I told him not to because the 250 KT assignment at honie was the same as a speed assignment. After we crossed fogog; the controller asked our speed; which I told him was 250 KTS; and he said we should have slowed at fogog to 210 KTS. There has been a lot of confusion about the speed restrs on the atl arrs. Part of the problem is the fact that the altitude restrs have been canceled by a NOTAM but the speed restrs remain in effect. I asked approach control several months ago to explain to me how they want it done and I was told 'if you are given a speed; then ignore all speed restrs on the arrival. If you are not given a speed; then you must obey all the speed restrs.' because there is no published speed at honie; I assumed the crossing speed assignment was a regular speed assignment and we should have maintained our assigned speed through the arrival.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR FLT CREW MISSED THE SPEED RESTRICTION AT FOGOG ON THE HONIE ARR INTO ATL.

Narrative: WE WERE ON THE HONIE 5 ARR INTO ATL. MY FO WAS THE PF. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CROSS HONIE AT 250 KTS AND 14000 FT; WHICH WE DID. AS WE APCHED FOGOG; MY FO ASKED IF WE SHOULD SLOW TO 210 KTS AND I TOLD HIM NOT TO BECAUSE THE 250 KT ASSIGNMENT AT HONIE WAS THE SAME AS A SPD ASSIGNMENT. AFTER WE CROSSED FOGOG; THE CTLR ASKED OUR SPD; WHICH I TOLD HIM WAS 250 KTS; AND HE SAID WE SHOULD HAVE SLOWED AT FOGOG TO 210 KTS. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THE SPD RESTRS ON THE ATL ARRS. PART OF THE PROB IS THE FACT THAT THE ALT RESTRS HAVE BEEN CANCELED BY A NOTAM BUT THE SPD RESTRS REMAIN IN EFFECT. I ASKED APCH CTL SEVERAL MONTHS AGO TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THEY WANT IT DONE AND I WAS TOLD 'IF YOU ARE GIVEN A SPD; THEN IGNORE ALL SPD RESTRS ON THE ARR. IF YOU ARE NOT GIVEN A SPD; THEN YOU MUST OBEY ALL THE SPD RESTRS.' BECAUSE THERE IS NO PUBLISHED SPD AT HONIE; I ASSUMED THE XING SPD ASSIGNMENT WAS A REGULAR SPD ASSIGNMENT AND WE SHOULD HAVE MAINTAINED OUR ASSIGNED SPD THROUGH THE ARR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.