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Q400 captain reports being unable to clear runway 22R at ewr after crossing behind another aircraft as aircraft in position is cleared for takeoff.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 789441 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200806 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ewr.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Q400 (Formerly Dash 8-400) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain observation : company check pilot oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 789441 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport ATC Human Performance Aircraft |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were cleared to follow air carrier jet ahead and cross runway 22R at taxiway east; hold short of taxiway B; contact ground. While holding short behind air carrier jet; I noticed that aircraft Z was now on the takeoff roll and we had not technically cleared the runway since a substantial part of the airplane was still on taxiway east before the hold short line to the runway. I contacted ground to let them know we had not cleared the runway yet and the aircraft Z was on a takeoff roll. I cannot speculate as to why the tower controller would have issued a takeoff clearance to one aircraft while another aircraft has not cleared the runway. I was presuming the tower controller was holding takeoff traffic until he knew we cleared the runway; otherwise I would have not accepted the cleared to cross and hold short behind another aircraft because there is insufficient space to put 2 aircraft holding short of taxiway B and still be able to clear the runway. Do not issue takeoff clearance until all aircraft are clear of the runway as defined by the FARS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Q400 CAPT REPORTS BEING UNABLE TO CLEAR RWY 22R AT EWR AFTER CROSSING BEHIND ANOTHER ACFT AS ACFT IN POSITION IS CLEARED FOR TKOF.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO FOLLOW ACR JET AHEAD AND CROSS RWY 22R AT TXWY E; HOLD SHORT OF TXWY B; CONTACT GND. WHILE HOLDING SHORT BEHIND ACR JET; I NOTICED THAT ACFT Z WAS NOW ON THE TKOF ROLL AND WE HAD NOT TECHNICALLY CLRED THE RWY SINCE A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THE AIRPLANE WAS STILL ON TXWY E BEFORE THE HOLD SHORT LINE TO THE RWY. I CONTACTED GND TO LET THEM KNOW WE HAD NOT CLRED THE RWY YET AND THE ACFT Z WAS ON A TKOF ROLL. I CANNOT SPECULATE AS TO WHY THE TWR CTLR WOULD HAVE ISSUED A TKOF CLRNC TO ONE ACFT WHILE ANOTHER ACFT HAS NOT CLRED THE RWY. I WAS PRESUMING THE TWR CTLR WAS HOLDING TKOF TFC UNTIL HE KNEW WE CLRED THE RWY; OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE NOT ACCEPTED THE CLRED TO CROSS AND HOLD SHORT BEHIND ANOTHER ACFT BECAUSE THERE IS INSUFFICIENT SPACE TO PUT 2 ACFT HOLDING SHORT OF TXWY B AND STILL BE ABLE TO CLR THE RWY. DO NOT ISSUE TKOF CLRNC UNTIL ALL ACFT ARE CLR OF THE RWY AS DEFINED BY THE FARS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.