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Attributes | |
ACN | 790284 |
Time | |
Date | 200806 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : las.airport |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl single value : 11500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : l30.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : grnpa |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 790284 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
During descent into las on the grnpa arrival; we crossed luxor at 12000 ft. After passing luxor; we were given our arrival runway; which was different than what we had expected. I started to change the arrival information in the FMS; while the captain was flying. When I finished updating the FMS; I looked up to see our altitude was about 11500 ft instead of 11000 ft as we crossed grnpa intersection. Right at the same time; we were cleared direct to troop intersection and down to 7000 ft. There was no traffic conflict and no aircraft in our area. I'm not really sure why the event occurred. I was rapidly changing inputs in the FMS and unable to determine afterwards what had happened. The captain; who was the PF; thought that we were in selected speed and managed descent prior to crossing grnpa. I was making changes to the FMS and did not see what had happened. If crews maintain managed speed and managed descent; these types of problems would be less likely. The situation was compounded by the changes that ATC gave us at a busy time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FO RPTS MISSING CROSSING RESTR AT GRNPA ON THE ARR TO LAS AFTER RWY CHANGE TAKES HIM OUT OF THE LOOP FOR FMGC CHANGES.
Narrative: DURING DSCNT INTO LAS ON THE GRNPA ARR; WE CROSSED LUXOR AT 12000 FT. AFTER PASSING LUXOR; WE WERE GIVEN OUR ARR RWY; WHICH WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD EXPECTED. I STARTED TO CHANGE THE ARR INFO IN THE FMS; WHILE THE CAPT WAS FLYING. WHEN I FINISHED UPDATING THE FMS; I LOOKED UP TO SEE OUR ALTITUDE WAS ABOUT 11500 FT INSTEAD OF 11000 FT AS WE CROSSED GRNPA INTXN. RIGHT AT THE SAME TIME; WE WERE CLEARED DIRECT TO TROOP INTXN AND DOWN TO 7000 FT. THERE WAS NO TFC CONFLICT AND NO ACFT IN OUR AREA. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY THE EVENT OCCURRED. I WAS RAPIDLY CHANGING INPUTS IN THE FMS AND UNABLE TO DETERMINE AFTERWARDS WHAT HAD HAPPENED. THE CAPT; WHO WAS THE PF; THOUGHT THAT WE WERE IN SELECTED SPEED AND MANAGED DSCNT PRIOR TO CROSSING GRNPA. I WAS MAKING CHANGES TO THE FMS AND DID NOT SEE WHAT HAD HAPPENED. IF CREWS MAINTAIN MANAGED SPEED AND MANAGED DSCNT; THESE TYPES OF PROBLEMS WOULD BE LESS LIKELY. THE SITUATION WAS COMPOUNDED BY THE CHANGES THAT ATC GAVE US AT A BUSY TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.