Air carrier flight crew reports being taken off the CQY6 arrival and given vectors and a runway change. Flight crew is later admonished for not slowing to 210 KTS per the arrival.

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Attributes
ACN	790295
Time
Date	200806
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dfw.airport
State Reference	TX
Altitude	msl single value : 11000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : d10.tracon
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	arrival star : cqy6
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	790295
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial
ASRS Report	790296
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Ambiguous

Narrative:

While on the CQY6 arrival procedure to dfw we were initially given runway 17C; which was changed to fly over the top for runway 18R and then shortly after was again changed to runway 13R. This caused confusion as to what speed we were to maintain since we were taken off the CQY6 arrival procedure. All this happened at 11000 ft while talking to approach control. Supplemental information from acn 790296: while on the CQY6 arrival into dfw our runway was changed from runway 17C to runway 18R then to runway 13R; and we were given a heading to overfly the field. We were at 11000 ft MSL and were doing 250 KTS. We were not instructed to slow with the heading. While on the heading ATC asked us to say our speed and said we should have been at 210 KTS. We then immediately slowed to 210 KTS and complied. The event occurred because of confusion in ATC instructions and the fact that we were not told to slow to 210 KTS when given the heading to cross over dfw.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR FLT CREW REPORTS BEING TAKEN OFF THE CQY6 ARRIVAL AND GIVEN VECTORS AND A RWY CHANGE. FLT CREW IS LATER ADMONISHED FOR NOT SLOWING TO 210 KTS PER THE ARRIVAL.

Narrative: WHILE ON THE CQY6 ARRIVAL PROCEDURE TO DFW WE WERE INITIALLY GIVEN RWY 17C; WHICH WAS CHANGED TO FLY OVER THE TOP FOR RWY 18R AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER WAS AGAIN CHANGED TO RWY 13R. THIS CAUSED CONFUSION AS TO WHAT SPEED WE WERE TO MAINTAIN SINCE WE WERE TAKEN OFF THE CQY6 ARRIVAL PROCEDURE. ALL THIS HAPPENED AT 11000 FT WHILE TALKING TO APPROACH CONTROL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 790296: WHILE ON THE CQY6 ARRIVAL INTO DFW OUR RUNWAY WAS CHANGED FROM RWY 17C TO RWY 18R THEN TO RWY 13R; AND WE WERE GIVEN A HEADING TO OVERFLY THE FIELD. WE WERE AT 11000 FT MSL AND WERE DOING 250 KTS. WE WERE NOT INSTRUCTED TO SLOW WITH THE HEADING. WHILE ON THE HEADING ATC ASKED US TO SAY OUR SPEED AND SAID WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT 210 KTS. WE THEN IMMEDIATELY SLOWED TO 210 KTS AND COMPLIED. THE EVENT OCCURRED BECAUSE OF CONFUSION IN ATC INSTRUCTIONS AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE NOT TOLD TO SLOW TO 210 KTS WHEN GIVEN THE HEADING TO CROSS OVER DFW.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.