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Attributes | |
ACN | 793969 |
Time | |
Date | 200807 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : charter |
Make Model Name | Falcon 10C |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure sid : teb 5 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : charter |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8900 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 793969 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : charter |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 83 flight time total : 5986 flight time type : 119 |
ASRS Report | 793968 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Departing runway 24 teb; SID calls for runway heading to 1500 ft MSL then right turn to 280 degrees until 4.5 DME teb; then climb to 2000 ft MSL. I proceeded to climb to 2000 ft MSL after the turn to 280 degrees. ATC questioned the altitude; says it is a confusing departure. No other conversation. No other aircraft in the area. I read back the clearance to my sic before departure correctly. When I asked him why he didn't say anything to correct me; he said he tried to. I never heard anything from him. Pure case of CRM gone to heck. Departure plate was on his yoke. From now on; procedure will be to have it on the PF's yoke for quick glances. We use 1 set of plates in the cockpit.supplemental information from reporter acn 793968: upon reaching 1500 ft the captain initiated the turn to 280 degrees; but continued to climb. I reminded him 'maintain 1500 ft to 4.5 DME.' his response was 'give me 2000 ft (in the altitude alerter).' I again voiced my concern; then ATC asked our altitude. The captain seemed surprised to discover that anything was wrong; and attempted to rationalize the situation. The situation was resolved with a curt explanation from ATC of our responsibilities; and they vectored us on course and up to 10000 ft. There was no traffic conflict per our TCAS. Circumstances: we had an early XA15 start (XA45 departure) and did not depart teb until XL55. We dutied out at XN55; 20 min. Short of our 14 hour. Maximum. During the wait at teb the captain expressed the desire to 'take a nap'; but said that he had too much paperwork to catch up on and therefore was probably tired. I spent 3 to 4 hours in the snooze room and was reasonably refreshed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FATIGUED FALCON 10 CAPT CLBED TO 2000 FT BEFORE THE 4.5 DME ON THE TEB 5 EVEN AFTER THE FO WARNED HIM OF HIS ALT.
Narrative: DEPARTING RWY 24 TEB; SID CALLS FOR RWY HEADING TO 1500 FT MSL THEN R TURN TO 280 DEGS UNTIL 4.5 DME TEB; THEN CLB TO 2000 FT MSL. I PROCEEDED TO CLB TO 2000 FT MSL AFTER THE TURN TO 280 DEGS. ATC QUESTIONED THE ALTITUDE; SAYS IT IS A CONFUSING DEP. NO OTHER CONVERSATION. NO OTHER ACFT IN THE AREA. I READ BACK THE CLRNC TO MY SIC BEFORE DEP CORRECTLY. WHEN I ASKED HIM WHY HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO CORRECT ME; HE SAID HE TRIED TO. I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING FROM HIM. PURE CASE OF CRM GONE TO HECK. DEP PLATE WAS ON HIS YOKE. FROM NOW ON; PROC WILL BE TO HAVE IT ON THE PF'S YOKE FOR QUICK GLANCES. WE USE 1 SET OF PLATES IN THE COCKPIT.SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM RPTR ACN 793968: UPON REACHING 1500 FT THE CAPT INITIATED THE TURN TO 280 DEGS; BUT CONTINUED TO CLB. I REMINDED HIM 'MAINTAIN 1500 FT TO 4.5 DME.' HIS RESPONSE WAS 'GIVE ME 2000 FT (IN THE ALTITUDE ALERTER).' I AGAIN VOICED MY CONCERN; THEN ATC ASKED OUR ALTITUDE. THE CAPT SEEMED SURPRISED TO DISCOVER THAT ANYTHING WAS WRONG; AND ATTEMPTED TO RATIONALIZE THE SITUATION. THE SITUATION WAS RESOLVED WITH A CURT EXPLANATION FROM ATC OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES; AND THEY VECTORED US ON COURSE AND UP TO 10000 FT. THERE WAS NO TFC CONFLICT PER OUR TCAS. CIRCUMSTANCES: WE HAD AN EARLY XA15 START (XA45 DEP) AND DID NOT DEPART TEB UNTIL XL55. WE DUTIED OUT AT XN55; 20 MIN. SHORT OF OUR 14 HR. MAX. DURING THE WAIT AT TEB THE CAPT EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO 'TAKE A NAP'; BUT SAID THAT HE HAD TOO MUCH PAPERWORK TO CATCH UP ON AND THEREFORE WAS PROBABLY TIRED. I SPENT 3 TO 4 HOURS IN THE SNOOZE ROOM AND WAS REASONABLY REFRESHED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.