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Attributes | |
ACN | 795055 |
Time | |
Date | 200807 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | SR22 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level ground : maintenance |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 19 flight time total : 817 flight time type : 291 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
I wanted to give my passenger a nice view of nyc. I contacted new york approach and requested hudson corridor; east river corridor; then east to montauk. I was cleared into new york class B airspace at 1500 ft proceeding north up the hudson river. On approaching the east river; ewr tower said they couldn't arrange handoff to lga; continue north up hudson shortly after passing the east river; ewr tower handed me off to lga tower. I requested a right turn over central park. The controller said; 'I was hoping you'd ask for that; turn right over central park and proceed east to throgs (neck).' I repeated the instruction. (As I would figure out later; the controller probably said 'throgs (route)'.) I turned right over central park and sure enough the throgs neck bridge was at 090 degrees; perfect right? Anyway; when I was abeam lga; the controller indicated that I was slightly north of course and I responded that I was proceeding east to the throgs neck. He indicated that was unacceptable and that he gave me the throgs routing. However; he then told me to continue on course. He told me to review the throgs routing for next time and handed me off to new york departure. I apologized for misunderstanding his instruction. (Note: there were no conflicts; the tower frequency wasn't busy; and safety was not compromised.) I later looked all over for the throgs route; since I had never heard of it. It does not appear on the terminal area chart or sectional; and it's not in the united states terminal procedures. I finally found it -- it's a helicopter route. It appears on the new york helicopter chart (see picture). I've flown in nyc airspace many times. In the past; lga would give me direct lga then throgs neck when flying in this area. I thought I was getting a shortcut. I think what would help avoid confusion is if a controller gives a fixed wing pilot a helicopter route; then they should specify it (ie; turn right over central park and proceed east on helicopter route throgs.) this would have caused me to respond that I was unfamiliar with helicopter rtes. In the meantime; I am going to buy myself a helicopter chart.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SR22 PILOT REPORTS MISUNDERSTANDING WITH LGA TOWER AND INSTRUCTIONS TO FLY THE THROGS ROUTE.
Narrative: I WANTED TO GIVE MY PAX A NICE VIEW OF NYC. I CONTACTED NEW YORK APCH AND REQUESTED HUDSON CORRIDOR; EAST RIVER CORRIDOR; THEN E TO MONTAUK. I WAS CLRED INTO NEW YORK CLASS B AIRSPACE AT 1500 FT PROCEEDING N UP THE HUDSON RIVER. ON APCHING THE EAST RIVER; EWR TWR SAID THEY COULDN'T ARRANGE HDOF TO LGA; CONTINUE N UP HUDSON SHORTLY AFTER PASSING THE EAST RIVER; EWR TWR HANDED ME OFF TO LGA TWR. I REQUESTED A R TURN OVER CENTRAL PARK. THE CTLR SAID; 'I WAS HOPING YOU'D ASK FOR THAT; TURN R OVER CENTRAL PARK AND PROCEED E TO THROGS (NECK).' I REPEATED THE INSTRUCTION. (AS I WOULD FIGURE OUT LATER; THE CTLR PROBABLY SAID 'THROGS (RTE)'.) I TURNED R OVER CENTRAL PARK AND SURE ENOUGH THE THROGS NECK BRIDGE WAS AT 090 DEGS; PERFECT RIGHT? ANYWAY; WHEN I WAS ABEAM LGA; THE CTLR INDICATED THAT I WAS SLIGHTLY N OF COURSE AND I RESPONDED THAT I WAS PROCEEDING E TO THE THROGS NECK. HE INDICATED THAT WAS UNACCEPTABLE AND THAT HE GAVE ME THE THROGS ROUTING. HOWEVER; HE THEN TOLD ME TO CONTINUE ON COURSE. HE TOLD ME TO REVIEW THE THROGS ROUTING FOR NEXT TIME AND HANDED ME OFF TO NEW YORK DEP. I APOLOGIZED FOR MISUNDERSTANDING HIS INSTRUCTION. (NOTE: THERE WERE NO CONFLICTS; THE TWR FREQ WASN'T BUSY; AND SAFETY WAS NOT COMPROMISED.) I LATER LOOKED ALL OVER FOR THE THROGS RTE; SINCE I HAD NEVER HEARD OF IT. IT DOES NOT APPEAR ON THE TERMINAL AREA CHART OR SECTIONAL; AND IT'S NOT IN THE UNITED STATES TERMINAL PROCS. I FINALLY FOUND IT -- IT'S A HELI RTE. IT APPEARS ON THE NEW YORK HELI CHART (SEE PICTURE). I'VE FLOWN IN NYC AIRSPACE MANY TIMES. IN THE PAST; LGA WOULD GIVE ME DIRECT LGA THEN THROGS NECK WHEN FLYING IN THIS AREA. I THOUGHT I WAS GETTING A SHORTCUT. I THINK WHAT WOULD HELP AVOID CONFUSION IS IF A CTLR GIVES A FIXED WING PLT A HELI RTE; THEN THEY SHOULD SPECIFY IT (IE; TURN R OVER CENTRAL PARK AND PROCEED E ON HELI RTE THROGS.) THIS WOULD HAVE CAUSED ME TO RESPOND THAT I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH HELI RTES. IN THE MEANTIME; I AM GOING TO BUY MYSELF A HELI CHART.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.