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Attributes | |
ACN | 795198 |
Time | |
Date | 200807 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pdk.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : pdk.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cheetah Tiger Traveler |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : pdk.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 770 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 795198 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 50 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
I had contacted pdk tower 9 NM (065 degree radial) from the field for a full stop landing in VFR conditions. I was told to report 4 NM out and to identify (1200). At 6.4 NM (by later checking my GPS) I visually saw a twin engine climbing at my 2 O'clock position. If I had continued on my present course (which I was beginning a gradual descent at this point) I am certain that we were on a direct course to the same point in the sky. I immediately took evasive action and turned into a right steep bank dive with the hope that he would visualize me and pass overhead; which he did. He continued without any apparent change in direction to fly overtop and slightly ahead of my position. I realize he had the right of way and that the tower controller had not mentioned that he had me radar contact but I decided to report it to him anyway. I believe it was a baron that passed by and when I reported it to the tower the controller said that the 'baron was at 3700 ft;' while I was at 3100 ft. I told him that 'I dropped pretty fast' to which he acknowledged. I do not know who was talking to the baron at the time and I do not believe that anyone is at fault. It makes me realize that ads-B or some similar traffic awareness system may soon become a necessity in as busy an airspace as this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GRUMMAN AA5 HAS NMAC WITH SMALL TWIN WHILE ENTERING TRAFFIC PATTERN AT PDK.
Narrative: I HAD CONTACTED PDK TWR 9 NM (065 DEG RADIAL) FROM THE FIELD FOR A FULL STOP LNDG IN VFR CONDITIONS. I WAS TOLD TO RPT 4 NM OUT AND TO IDENT (1200). AT 6.4 NM (BY LATER CHKING MY GPS) I VISUALLY SAW A TWIN ENG CLBING AT MY 2 O'CLOCK POS. IF I HAD CONTINUED ON MY PRESENT COURSE (WHICH I WAS BEGINNING A GRADUAL DSCNT AT THIS POINT) I AM CERTAIN THAT WE WERE ON A DIRECT COURSE TO THE SAME POINT IN THE SKY. I IMMEDIATELY TOOK EVASIVE ACTION AND TURNED INTO A R STEEP BANK DIVE WITH THE HOPE THAT HE WOULD VISUALIZE ME AND PASS OVERHEAD; WHICH HE DID. HE CONTINUED WITHOUT ANY APPARENT CHANGE IN DIRECTION TO FLY OVERTOP AND SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF MY POS. I REALIZE HE HAD THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THAT THE TWR CTLR HAD NOT MENTIONED THAT HE HAD ME RADAR CONTACT BUT I DECIDED TO RPT IT TO HIM ANYWAY. I BELIEVE IT WAS A BARON THAT PASSED BY AND WHEN I RPTED IT TO THE TWR THE CTLR SAID THAT THE 'BARON WAS AT 3700 FT;' WHILE I WAS AT 3100 FT. I TOLD HIM THAT 'I DROPPED PRETTY FAST' TO WHICH HE ACKNOWLEDGED. I DO NOT KNOW WHO WAS TALKING TO THE BARON AT THE TIME AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ANYONE IS AT FAULT. IT MAKES ME REALIZE THAT ADS-B OR SOME SIMILAR TFC AWARENESS SYS MAY SOON BECOME A NECESSITY IN AS BUSY AN AIRSPACE AS THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.