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Attributes | |
ACN | 814806 |
Time | |
Date | 200806 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rsw.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : rsw.tower tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 814806 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Situations | |
Chart | star : shfty |
Narrative:
On descent into rsw cleared shfty 1 arrival for runway 24. NOTAM and ATIS stated; 'landing runway 24 from over lbv via 190 degree heading.' I believe this is an incorrectly worded NOTAM. I was confused; so upon initial contact with rsw approach control I asked approach what they wanted us to do after moemo intersection. Instead of issuing instructions to us; we received a series of questions about whether we had the ATIS and NOTAMS. This created an unsafe situation; because we had already stated a request for instructions due to our uncertainty. Finally approach issued a clearance direct la belle and then a 190 heading; then issued a 190 heading. We explained our confusion and were told to contact approach on ground via phone. No conflict resulted. The supervisor at approach control stated that they had a lot of problems with this NOTAM. I informed him that I thought the NOTAM was at the most incorrectly worded and at the least confusing. I believe the NOTAM is incorrectly stated. If you are cleared the shifty 1 runway 24; then the la belle fix is not on the arrival. Both per chart and FMC; the arrival ends at moemo with a 220 degree heading! The FAA should change the NOTAM and ATIS to read; 'shifty one arrival RNAV amend as follows landing rsw runway 24: from over moemo proceed direct la belle then via a 190 degree heading.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CONFUSED BY A POORLY WORDED NOTAM ON THE SHFTY ONE RNAV STAR TO RSW; B737 FLT CREW RECEIVED CONFUSION RATHER THAN CLARIFICATION FROM APPROACH CONTROL.
Narrative: ON DESCENT INTO RSW CLEARED SHFTY 1 ARRIVAL FOR RWY 24. NOTAM AND ATIS STATED; 'LANDING RWY 24 FROM OVER LBV VIA 190 DEG HEADING.' I BELIEVE THIS IS AN INCORRECTLY WORDED NOTAM. I WAS CONFUSED; SO UPON INITIAL CONTACT WITH RSW APCH CONTROL I ASKED APCH WHAT THEY WANTED US TO DO AFTER MOEMO INTERSECTION. INSTEAD OF ISSUING INSTRUCTIONS TO US; WE RECEIVED A SERIES OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE HAD THE ATIS AND NOTAMS. THIS CREATED AN UNSAFE SITUATION; BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY STATED A REQUEST FOR INSTRUCTIONS DUE TO OUR UNCERTAINTY. FINALLY APCH ISSUED A CLEARANCE DIRECT LA BELLE AND THEN A 190 HDG; THEN ISSUED A 190 HDG. WE EXPLAINED OUR CONFUSION AND WERE TOLD TO CONTACT APCH ON GND VIA PHONE. NO CONFLICT RESULTED. THE SUPVR AT APCH CONTROL STATED THAT THEY HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS NOTAM. I INFORMED HIM THAT I THOUGHT THE NOTAM WAS AT THE MOST INCORRECTLY WORDED AND AT THE LEAST CONFUSING. I BELIEVE THE NOTAM IS INCORRECTLY STATED. IF YOU ARE CLEARED THE SHIFTY 1 RWY 24; THEN THE LA BELLE FIX IS NOT ON THE ARRIVAL. BOTH PER CHART AND FMC; THE ARRIVAL ENDS AT MOEMO WITH A 220 DEG HEADING! THE FAA SHOULD CHANGE THE NOTAM AND ATIS TO READ; 'SHIFTY ONE ARRIVAL RNAV AMEND AS FOLLOWS LANDING RSW RWY 24: FROM OVER MOEMO PROCEED DIRECT LA BELLE THEN VIA A 190 DEG HEADING.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.