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Attributes | |
ACN | 815597 |
Time | |
Date | 200812 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rsw.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl single value : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : rsw.tracon tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : shifty |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 183 flight time type : 183 |
ASRS Report | 815597 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 154 |
ASRS Report | 815826 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication FAA |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We were cleared on the shifty 1 arrival into rsw. Runway 24 was in use at rsw. The arrival has a note which states if landing runway 24 at rsw from over moemo; turn to a 220 degree heading. There is a NOTAM out for the shifty 1 arrival which states; 'landing rsw runway 24 and fmy: from over lbv via 190 degree heading. Expect radar vectors.' we queried the controller about what we're to do over moemo. We were programmed to follow the 220 degree heading out of moemo as the arrival states. The controller said no; we were to go to lbv. He then gave us a 180 degree heading to follow. The controller asked us to report this situation since too many aircraft question this arrival and NOTAM or fly it incorrectly. The NOTAM was not on ATIS information that we initially acquired but after we queried the controller; it was on the following hour's ATIS information. The main problem with this NOTAM and the arrival is lbv is south of moemo. Therefore; with current programming and setup with runway 24 in use; the aircraft never gets to lbv to follow the NOTAM. A 220 degree heading would be executed at moemo. Either the arrival or the NOTAM has to be changed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AIR CARRIER FIRST OFFICER NOTICES THE SHIFTY RNAV ARRIVAL INTO RSW CONFLICTS WITH A CURRENT NOTAM.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED ON THE SHIFTY 1 ARR INTO RSW. RWY 24 WAS IN USE AT RSW. THE ARR HAS A NOTE WHICH STATES IF LNDG RWY 24 AT RSW FROM OVER MOEMO; TURN TO A 220 DEG HDG. THERE IS A NOTAM OUT FOR THE SHIFTY 1 ARR WHICH STATES; 'LNDG RSW RWY 24 AND FMY: FROM OVER LBV VIA 190 DEG HDG. EXPECT RADAR VECTORS.' WE QUERIED THE CTLR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TO DO OVER MOEMO. WE WERE PROGRAMMED TO FOLLOW THE 220 DEG HDG OUT OF MOEMO AS THE ARR STATES. THE CTLR SAID NO; WE WERE TO GO TO LBV. HE THEN GAVE US A 180 DEG HDG TO FOLLOW. THE CTLR ASKED US TO RPT THIS SITUATION SINCE TOO MANY ACFT QUESTION THIS ARR AND NOTAM OR FLY IT INCORRECTLY. THE NOTAM WAS NOT ON ATIS INFO THAT WE INITIALLY ACQUIRED BUT AFTER WE QUERIED THE CTLR; IT WAS ON THE FOLLOWING HOUR'S ATIS INFO. THE MAIN PROB WITH THIS NOTAM AND THE ARR IS LBV IS S OF MOEMO. THEREFORE; WITH CURRENT PROGRAMMING AND SETUP WITH RWY 24 IN USE; THE ACFT NEVER GETS TO LBV TO FOLLOW THE NOTAM. A 220 DEG HDG WOULD BE EXECUTED AT MOEMO. EITHER THE ARR OR THE NOTAM HAS TO BE CHANGED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.