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Attributes | |
ACN | 817007 |
Time | |
Date | 200812 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rmg.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Bonanza 36 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 1 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 2300 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 817007 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
The flight on an IFR flight plan was a training flight with an experienced pilot in an airplane he was inspecting for purchase. I was serving as the CFI and pilot in command for the flight; though the other pilot was performing all flying and communication duties. I was holding the checklists; charts and continuously monitoring the instruments to track attitude and position to back up the pilot flying. We requested the ILS 1 approach with a circuit of the holding pattern. We were cleared direct karel intersection on the ILS runway 1 approach at rmg. We were instructed to maintain 3000 feet until established and report crossing karel inbound. When approximately 1 mile from karel; we began a descent out of 4000 feet. ATC asked us to confirm 4000 feet and we said; 'negative; we are 3700 feet for 3000 feet as previously cleared.' ZTL responded; 'negative; maintain 4000 feet until established and report karel inbound.' when ATC corrected themselves; we immediately pitched up to return to 4000 feet. Then; shortly thereafter; were cleared down to 3000 feet and established in the hold and proceeded to execute a normal ILS approach to landing. We canceled IFR in the air once in VMC with the runway in sight on short final. ATC made no comment about the miscommunication and we do not suspect any deviation as a result of the miscommunication nor any traffic conflict. All communications were clearly read back by the pilot flying with aircraft n-number. A contributing factor may have been the slow; southern accent of the ZTL controller.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Approach Controller advises Beechcraft 35 pilots they began descent for an approach fix without clearance. Pilots believe the clearance was given and forgotten by the Controller. Cite language barrier.
Narrative: The flight on an IFR flight plan was a training flight with an experienced pilot in an airplane he was inspecting for purchase. I was serving as the CFI and pilot in command for the flight; though the other pilot was performing all flying and communication duties. I was holding the checklists; charts and continuously monitoring the instruments to track attitude and position to back up the pilot flying. We requested the ILS 1 approach with a circuit of the holding pattern. We were cleared direct KAREL intersection on the ILS Runway 1 approach at RMG. We were instructed to maintain 3000 feet until established and report crossing KAREL inbound. When approximately 1 mile from KAREL; we began a descent out of 4000 feet. ATC asked us to confirm 4000 feet and we said; 'Negative; we are 3700 feet for 3000 feet as previously cleared.' ZTL responded; 'negative; maintain 4000 feet until established and report KAREL inbound.' When ATC corrected themselves; we immediately pitched up to return to 4000 feet. Then; shortly thereafter; were cleared down to 3000 feet and established in the hold and proceeded to execute a normal ILS approach to landing. We canceled IFR in the air once in VMC with the runway in sight on short final. ATC made no comment about the miscommunication and we do not suspect any deviation as a result of the miscommunication nor any traffic conflict. All communications were clearly read back by the pilot flying with aircraft N-Number. A contributing factor may have been the slow; southern accent of the ZTL Controller.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.