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Attributes | |
ACN | 817200 |
Time | |
Date | 200812 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl single value : 5800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | SF 340A |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 817200 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
The aircraft was established in a descent to 5;000 ft; our clearance was 'pilot's discretion to 5;000 ft.' as the aircraft descended; the controller asked what approach we would like. The weather (330 degrees at 5 KTS; 9 SM visibility; broken 7000 ft) suggested that a visual approach was possible. We were still in IMC at about 5;800 ft so the first officer and I reasoned that the visual was not such a good idea because the weather was not as the ASOS described. We decided that the ILS 35 was in order. I asked for the ILS approach and the controller told us to expect vectors. After a brief pause; the controller said 'radar contact lost.' there was not an audible call sign given and I assumed that he was still talking to us. He followed with 'you can fly the ILS on your own at 5;000 ft or climb to 6;000 ft for vectors;' we asked for the vectors/climb. The controller said 'climb/maintain 6;000 ft vectors for the approach.' the apa altitude alerter was set to 6;000 ft and a climb was initiated. The controller then gave a heading. The controller then said 'aircraft X climb to 6;000 ft for vectors.' at that time we realized that the controller was talking to someone else. We corrected the apa altitude alerter and initiated a descent to 5;000 ft. At 4;800 ft the first officer and I noticed the altitude deviation and shortly thereafter the controller questioned our altitude; due to the fact that the apa altitude alerter altitudes didn't capture. A correction was initiated but not fast enough; the aircraft continued in a descent. The autopilot was deactivated and a manual recovery was started. The aircraft captured 5;000 ft and the flight to ZZZ and the subsequent flight ZZZ1 continued unimpeded. This event happened because of changing weather conditions; both pilots selecting approach plates at the same time and the omission of inaudible call sign leading to conflict of instructions. Incidentally; the actual weather was broken 4;300 ft and 6 miles visibility.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SF340 Captain reports communications breakdown with ATC during approach causing altitude deviations both leaving assigned altitude and attempting to return to it.
Narrative: The aircraft was established in a descent to 5;000 FT; our clearance was 'Pilot's Discretion to 5;000 FT.' As the aircraft descended; the Controller asked what approach we would like. The weather (330 degrees at 5 KTS; 9 SM visibility; broken 7000 FT) suggested that a visual approach was possible. We were still in IMC at about 5;800 FT so the First Officer and I reasoned that the visual was not such a good idea because the weather was not as the ASOS described. We decided that the ILS 35 was in order. I asked for the ILS approach and the Controller told us to expect vectors. After a brief pause; the Controller said 'radar contact lost.' There was not an audible call sign given and I assumed that he was still talking to us. He followed with 'you can fly the ILS on your own at 5;000 FT or climb to 6;000 FT for vectors;' we asked for the vectors/climb. The Controller said 'climb/maintain 6;000 FT vectors for the approach.' The APA Altitude Alerter was set to 6;000 FT and a climb was initiated. The Controller then gave a heading. The Controller then said 'aircraft X climb to 6;000 FT for vectors.' At that time we realized that the Controller was talking to someone else. We corrected the APA Altitude Alerter and initiated a descent to 5;000 FT. At 4;800 FT the First Officer and I noticed the altitude deviation and shortly thereafter the Controller questioned our altitude; due to the fact that the APA Altitude Alerter altitudes didn't capture. A correction was initiated but not fast enough; the aircraft continued in a descent. The autopilot was deactivated and a manual recovery was started. The aircraft captured 5;000 FT and the flight to ZZZ and the subsequent flight ZZZ1 continued unimpeded. This event happened because of changing weather conditions; both pilots selecting approach plates at the same time and the omission of inaudible call sign leading to conflict of instructions. Incidentally; the actual weather was broken 4;300 FT and 6 miles visibility.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.