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Attributes | |
ACN | 820072 |
Time | |
Date | 200901 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | TEB.Airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream G200 (IAI 1126 Galaxy) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Route In Use | SID RUUDY |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Person 2 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Aircraft Equipment Problem Less Severe Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
Clearance received and read back was: RUUDY1 eliot J60 iow as filed. Box was set and verified and briefed on the ground by both crew members. Prior to departure; navigation and VNAV was activated. Departure was normal. At about 900 ft I engaged the autopilot and continued the climb at 200 knots to 1500 ft; then the flight director commanded a right turn direct to wentz. We checked in with departure and as we reached 1500 ft controller came back and asked; 'are you going direct to wentz at this time?' to which the first officer replied; 'in the right turn now.' controller gave us a heading of 290 and continued to vector us eventually to eliot. The rest of the flight was uneventful. Departure controller never expressed any concerns about the departure. About an hour and a half later; the message came up through cleveland center that we should call new york when able. This is a new SID departure out of teb. It was the first time I had flown it. The departure is a navigation departure fully programmed into our data base. Apparently the flight director waits for an altitude lock before it commands a right turn to wentz direct. The only depiction on the plate is an 'X' approximating the condition of reaching 1500 feet. Any other crew that programs the box as we did; and arms the navigation as we did should get the same result. The only difference may be the speed and climb rate to 1500 feet which should vary the start of the right turn to wentz. I believe a way point should be placed where the X is; if there is a concern by ATC of the narrowness of that corridor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: G200 FLIGHT CREW REPORTS LATE TURN BY AUTOPILOT/FMC TO WENTZ ON THE RUUDY1 RNAV DEPARTURE FROM TEB. TURN TIMING IS QUESTIONED BY ATC.
Narrative: CLEARANCE RECEIVED AND READ BACK WAS: RUUDY1 ELIOT J60 IOW AS FILED. BOX WAS SET AND VERIFIED AND BRIEFED ON THE GROUND BY BOTH CREW MEMBERS. PRIOR TO DEPARTURE; NAV AND VNAV WAS ACTIVATED. DEPARTURE WAS NORMAL. AT ABOUT 900 FT I ENGAGED THE AUTOPILOT AND CONTINUED THE CLIMB AT 200 KNOTS TO 1500 FT; THEN THE FLIGHT DIRECTOR COMMANDED A RIGHT TURN DIRECT TO WENTZ. WE CHECKED IN WITH DEPARTURE AND AS WE REACHED 1500 FT CTLR CAME BACK AND ASKED; 'ARE YOU GOING DIRECT TO WENTZ AT THIS TIME?' TO WHICH THE FO REPLIED; 'IN THE RIGHT TURN NOW.' CTLR GAVE US A HEADING OF 290 AND CONTINUED TO VECTOR US EVENTUALLY TO ELIOT. THE REST OF THE FLIGHT WAS UNEVENTFUL. DEPARTURE CONTROLLER NEVER EXPRESSED ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEPARTURE. ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF LATER; THE MESSAGE CAME UP THROUGH CLEVELAND CENTER THAT WE SHOULD CALL NEW YORK WHEN ABLE. THIS IS A NEW SID DEPARTURE OUT OF TEB. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAD FLOWN IT. THE DEPARTURE IS A NAV DEPARTURE FULLY PROGRAMMED INTO OUR DATA BASE. APPARENTLY THE FLIGHT DIRECTOR WAITS FOR AN ALT LOCK BEFORE IT COMMANDS A RIGHT TURN TO WENTZ DIRECT. THE ONLY DEPICTION ON THE PLATE IS AN 'X' APPROXIMATING THE CONDITION OF REACHING 1500 FEET. ANY OTHER CREW THAT PROGRAMS THE BOX AS WE DID; AND ARMS THE NAV AS WE DID SHOULD GET THE SAME RESULT. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE MAY BE THE SPEED AND CLIMB RATE TO 1500 FEET WHICH SHOULD VARY THE START OF THE RIGHT TURN TO WENTZ. I BELIEVE A WAY POINT SHOULD BE PLACED WHERE THE X IS; IF THERE IS A CONCERN BY ATC OF THE NARROWNESS OF THAT CORRIDOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.