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Departure controller chastises gulfstream iv flight crew for inadequate rate of climb per the senic one RNAV SID off runway 30 at lgb.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 832139 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200904 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | LGA.Airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Gulfstream IV / G350 / G450 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
| Route In Use | SID SENIC |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 35 Flight Crew Total 10000 Flight Crew Type 750 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Altitude Crossing Restriction Not Met |
Narrative:
We were given the senic one departure off of lgb runway 30. Both pilots looked it over and agreed after takeoff climb on a heading of 301 to 1500 ft then turn left. Both pilots failed to read ATC climb; we thought the 1500 ft was for obstacle clearance. Most of the departure charts have a point or a DME fix or a radial to cross at or above. After takeoff we changed over to departure at about 1300 ft controller told us to start our left turn to 180 and told us we had traffic at 01:00; the TCAS showed he was over 5 NM from us; then controller told us this departure was for jet aircraft and we need to be at 1500 ft 3 NM from the airport. I guess the point I am trying to make is if they want us to be at a fix like 3 NM from the airport; they need to put it on the chart so we can program it in the box to make sure we make the crossing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Departure Controller chastises Gulfstream IV flight crew for inadequate rate of climb per the SENIC ONE RNAV SID off Runway 30 at LGB.
Narrative: We were given the SENIC ONE departure off of LGB Runway 30. Both pilots looked it over and agreed after takeoff climb on a heading of 301 to 1500 FT then turn left. Both pilots failed to read ATC climb; we thought the 1500 FT was for obstacle clearance. Most of the departure charts have a point or a DME fix or a radial to cross at or above. After takeoff we changed over to departure at about 1300 FT Controller told us to start our left turn to 180 and told us we had traffic at 01:00; the TCAS showed he was over 5 NM from us; then Controller told us this departure was for jet aircraft and we need to be at 1500 FT 3 NM from the airport. I guess the point I am trying to make is if they want us to be at a fix like 3 NM from the airport; they need to put it on the chart so we can program it in the box to make sure we make the crossing.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.