VFR training aircraft inbound to roa; awaiting ATC clearance into the class C; experienced an near m...

Attributes
ACN	841299
Time
Date	200906
Local Time Of Day	0601-1200
Place
Locale Reference	ROA.Airport
State Reference	VA
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft High Wing 1 Eng Fixed Gear
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Cruise
Route In Use	None
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft High Wing 1 Eng Fixed Gear
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Cruise
Route In Use	None
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Function	Instructor Pilot Not Flying
Qualification	Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Multiengine
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 110 Flight Crew Total 6260 Flight Crew Type 200
Events
Anomaly	Conflict NMAC
Miss Distance	Vertical 50

Narrative:

Returning to roa from IFR training at mtv with IFR student 'under the hood'; radioed roa approach control 25 NM south. Roa instructed; 'remain VFR & remain clear of roa class C'. We turned east to align with the final for the ILS 33 awaiting permission to enter class C. Called roa again in 15 minutes and requested; 'for planning purposes; when can we expect clearance into class C' and received no answer or squawk code. Subsequently; aircraft Y also southeast of roa on an air photo mission called roa approach; and was also advised to remain VFR and clear of class C. We made several 90 degree turns outside of class C but in the vicinity of the ILS final approach course. On a heading of east at 3500 MSL; I detected an aircraft at my 9 o'clock position; just above my wing; about 50' horizontal and immediately initiated a hard dive. Aircraft Y passed just above my wing. Subsequently; both of us were given squawk codes; allowed into class C and landed without incident. See & avoid cannot be taught enough! I believe that a contributing factor was that the controller was a trainee with a moderate workload and held us in an area of some traffic without mode C identification despite both aircraft having requested same.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: VFR training aircraft inbound to ROA; awaiting ATC clearance into the Class C; experienced an NMAC with the same type VFR aircraft also awaiting Class C entry.

Narrative: Returning to ROA from IFR training at MTV with IFR student 'under the hood'; radioed ROA Approach Control 25 NM south. ROA instructed; 'remain VFR & remain clear of ROA class C'. We turned east to align with the final for the ILS 33 awaiting permission to enter Class C. Called ROA again in 15 minutes and requested; 'For planning purposes; when can we expect clearance into Class C' and received no answer or squawk code. Subsequently; Aircraft Y also southeast of ROA on an air photo mission called ROA approach; and was also advised to remain VFR and clear of Class C. We made several 90 degree turns outside of Class C but in the vicinity of the ILS final approach course. On a heading of east at 3500 MSL; I detected an aircraft at my 9 o'clock position; just above my wing; about 50' horizontal and immediately initiated a hard dive. Aircraft Y passed just above my wing. Subsequently; both of us were given squawk codes; allowed into Class C and landed without incident. SEE & AVOID cannot be taught enough! I believe that a contributing factor was that the controller was a trainee with a moderate workload and held us in an area of some traffic without mode C identification despite both aircraft having requested same.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

VFR training aircraft inbound to roa; awaiting ATC clearance into the class C; experienced an near midair collision with the same type VFR aircraft also awaiting class C entry.