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Attributes | |
ACN | 84226 |
Time | |
Date | 198803 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : esl |
State Reference | WV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc tower : mdw |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 84226 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The commercial chart revision dated 3/7/88 effective 3/10/8, the new east coast plan there was issued similar arrival charts to dca and iad. Our filed routing was ord whett J30 bucko aml 1 dca. This refers to the armel 1 arrival to dca. Dulles also has an armel 1 arrival with the same filing code. These charts are indexed differently but could be mistaken. There are different crossing restrictions and routings. Beware!! I recommend that the FAA be notified and one arrival name be changed. Also, until a new chart is issued, a notice be posted of the problem so no confusion results.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT REPORTER CITES POTENTIAL FOR CONFUSION WITH SIMILARLY NAMED STAR CHARTS WITH DIFFERENT ALTS TO 2 DIFFERENT ARPTS.
Narrative: THE COMMERCIAL CHART REVISION DATED 3/7/88 EFFECTIVE 3/10/8, THE NEW EAST COAST PLAN THERE WAS ISSUED SIMILAR ARR CHARTS TO DCA AND IAD. OUR FILED ROUTING WAS ORD WHETT J30 BUCKO AML 1 DCA. THIS REFERS TO THE ARMEL 1 ARR TO DCA. DULLES ALSO HAS AN ARMEL 1 ARR WITH THE SAME FILING CODE. THESE CHARTS ARE INDEXED DIFFERENTLY BUT COULD BE MISTAKEN. THERE ARE DIFFERENT XING RESTRICTIONS AND ROUTINGS. BEWARE!! I RECOMMEND THAT THE FAA BE NOTIFIED AND ONE ARR NAME BE CHANGED. ALSO, UNTIL A NEW CHART IS ISSUED, A NOTICE BE POSTED OF THE PROB SO NO CONFUSION RESULTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.