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Attributes | |
ACN | 844473 |
Time | |
Date | 200907 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | HPN.Airport |
State Reference | NY |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | STAR BOUNO 4 |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Miss Distance | Vertical 250 |
Narrative:
On vectors BOUNO4 arrival at 2000 ft about 12 NM from hpn; the first officer was pilot flying. We were slowing from 250 KTS and watching a target approach on TCAS 300 ft below us. Ny approach issued 180 KTS and a traffic advisory; 10-11 o'clock and 3 miles and closing. I requested a climb of about 300'; but the controller only suggested we turn to fly behind traffic. We were rapidly closing on traffic when I acquired visual on it; I believe it was a helicopter. Since the first officer had not acquired it; and I perceived it to be a collision threat; I took the controls and initiated a 30-35 degree bank turn to the left. I had been focusing on avoiding the traffic; but in the turn I glanced at the instruments and realized that with the power at flight idle for the rapid slowing from 250 to 180 KTS; combined with the sudden increase in load factor; the stall tape was rapidly approaching. I immediately added power; concurrent with receiving a TCAS RA to monitor vertical speed. I believe we came within 15 KTS of stall speed. We recovered and remained 2-300 ft above the traffic; then continued a normal approach. Multiple complications and unfortunate timing. The first officer had not yet called for flaps 8 during the deceleration. When I took the controls I was primarily focused on avoiding the traffic; and it took me a couple seconds to realize the power and flap configuration needed adjustment. Compounding the problem was my mindset to comply with our ATC clearance (altitude); especially since the controller specifically did not authorize the climb I requested; combined with my concern with the congested ny airspace. I should have used my emergency authority to climb anyway; and I should have allowed the first officer to remain pilot flying.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air carrier flight crew reacted to a close encounter with a helicopter.
Narrative: On vectors BOUNO4 arrival at 2000 FT about 12 NM from HPN; the First Officer was pilot flying. We were slowing from 250 KTS and watching a target approach on TCAS 300 FT below us. NY approach issued 180 KTS and a traffic advisory; 10-11 o'clock and 3 miles and closing. I requested a climb of about 300'; but the controller only suggested we turn to fly behind traffic. We were rapidly closing on traffic when I acquired visual on it; I believe it was a helicopter. Since the First Officer had not acquired it; and I perceived it to be a collision threat; I took the controls and initiated a 30-35 degree bank turn to the left. I had been focusing on avoiding the traffic; but in the turn I glanced at the instruments and realized that with the power at flight idle for the rapid slowing from 250 to 180 KTS; combined with the sudden increase in load factor; the stall tape was rapidly approaching. I immediately added power; concurrent with receiving a TCAS RA to monitor vertical speed. I believe we came within 15 KTS of stall speed. We recovered and remained 2-300 FT above the traffic; then continued a normal approach. Multiple complications and unfortunate timing. The First Officer had not yet called for Flaps 8 during the deceleration. When I took the controls I was primarily focused on avoiding the traffic; and it took me a couple seconds to realize the power and flap configuration needed adjustment. Compounding the problem was my mindset to comply with our ATC clearance (altitude); especially since the controller specifically did not authorize the climb I requested; combined with my concern with the congested NY airspace. I should have used my emergency authority to climb anyway; and I should have allowed the First Officer to remain pilot flying.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.