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Attributes | |
ACN | 851674 |
Time | |
Date | 200909 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ORD.Airport |
State Reference | IL |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach Final Approach |
Route In Use | STAR PAITN |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying First Officer |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 110 Flight Crew Total 10000 Flight Crew Type 6000 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Procedural Other / Unknown Inflight Event / Encounter Weather / Turbulence |
Narrative:
On this flight the weather at ord went well below the forecast and we entered holding on the paitn arrival. Weather was reported 1/8 SM fog; 500/600/600 RVR runway 27R. ATC asked us what RVR we needed to land on 27R. We told them 600 RVR was our limit. During the hold the captain briefed a CAT III autoland to 27R ord. The RVR rose to 600/600/600 for 27R and we were released from the hold and vectored for the approach. Approach control cleared us for the ILS 27R and we intercepted the glideslope at 4000 ft; over bonzo. Between bonzo and silby (OM) approach reported the RVR for 27R 500/600/600. I told the captain that I didn't think we were legal for the approach. He disagreed and said that since we were already established on the final approach segment; that we could continue the approach. We switched over to ord tower and they reported 500/600/600 RVR. We continued to a successful autoland and taxied to the gate. After the flight we discussed what happened. I was under the impression that the final approach segment begins at the glideslope crossing altitude. The captain said that it begins were the fan is depicted on the plan view of the localizer; in this case; outside of bonzo. This made us legal for the approach. The captain contacted the flight manager after the flight and he concurred that he was correct. There was a lot happening in a short period time in the cockpit; so we were both pretty task saturated. This added to the confusion of the situation. In the future I will add this scenario to an autoland brief to avoid confusion at a critical phase of flight.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A319 First Officer reported visibility going below minimums outside SIBLY during a CAT IIIB ILS to Runway 27R at ORD. Captain believed this was acceptable and continued to autoland.
Narrative: On this flight the weather at ORD went well below the forecast and we entered holding on the PAITN Arrival. Weather was reported 1/8 SM fog; 500/600/600 RVR Runway 27R. ATC asked us what RVR we needed to land on 27R. We told them 600 RVR was our limit. During the hold the Captain briefed a CAT III autoland to 27R ORD. The RVR rose to 600/600/600 for 27R and we were released from the hold and vectored for the approach. Approach Control cleared us for the ILS 27R and we intercepted the glideslope at 4000 FT; over BONZO. Between BONZO and SILBY (OM) approach reported the RVR for 27R 500/600/600. I told the Captain that I didn't think we were legal for the approach. He disagreed and said that since we were already established on the final approach segment; that we could continue the approach. We switched over to ORD Tower and they reported 500/600/600 RVR. We continued to a successful autoland and taxied to the gate. After the flight we discussed what happened. I was under the impression that the final approach segment begins at the glideslope crossing altitude. The Captain said that it begins were the fan is depicted on the plan view of the localizer; in this case; outside of BONZO. This made us legal for the approach. The Captain contacted the Flight Manager after the flight and he concurred that he was correct. There was a lot happening in a short period time in the cockpit; so we were both pretty task saturated. This added to the confusion of the situation. In the future I will add this scenario to an autoland brief to avoid confusion at a critical phase of flight.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.