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Attributes | |
ACN | 855843 |
Time | |
Date | 200910 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ORD.Airport |
State Reference | IL |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types |
Narrative:
Localizer runway 28 at ord. ATC has been wanting 180 KIAS to the FAF most everywhere we fly domestically. For an ILS approach in IFR situations; that can push the limits of getting configured and in the slot at the appropriate times. For a localizer approach; we need to be configured and on speed by the FAF. We shouldn't be holding 180 KIAS to the FAF on a localizer approach. We need a constant ground speed without a glide slope or vti. Ord TRACON has been clearing traffic for their localizer 28 and 180 KIAS to the FAF. This is a set up for an accident from all of the configuration changes at a critical time close to the ground. Some alternatives are: 1) plan that any non-ILS approaches be RNAV approaches so we have the vti. 2) plan for final approach speed at FAF. 3) plan 180 KIAS to a point 3 to 4 miles short of the FAF. And it shouldn't be left to the pilot to request RNAV approach if he wants it; that won't work if there's not an RNAV approach. Even when runway 28 at ord reopens to its full length and the ILS is usable again; this should be policy everywhere for an non ILS and non RNAV approaches.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air carrier pilot expressed concern regarding C90's speed assignments for the LOC 28 approach; suggesting utilizing the RNAV procedure as an alternative; adding 180 KTS to FAF in most cases is excessive.
Narrative: LOC Runway 28 at ORD. ATC has been wanting 180 KIAS to the FAF most everywhere we fly domestically. For an ILS approach in IFR situations; that can push the limits of getting configured and in the slot at the appropriate times. For a LOC approach; we need to be configured and on speed by the FAF. We shouldn't be holding 180 KIAS to the FAF on a LOC approach. We need a constant ground speed without a glide slope or VTI. ORD TRACON has been clearing traffic for their LOC 28 and 180 KIAS to the FAF. This is a set up for an accident from all of the configuration changes at a critical time close to the ground. Some alternatives are: 1) plan that any NON-ILS approaches be RNAV approaches so we have the VTI. 2) Plan for final approach speed at FAF. 3) Plan 180 KIAS to a point 3 to 4 miles short of the FAF. And it shouldn't be left to the pilot to request RNAV approach if he wants it; that won't work if there's not an RNAV approach. Even when Runway 28 at ORD reopens to its full length and the ILS is usable again; this should be policy everywhere for an NON ILS and NON RNAV approaches.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.