An SR20 instructor and student had a near miss with another instructor and student also in an SR20 i...

Attributes
ACN	862569
Time
Date	200912
Local Time Of Day	1201-1800
Place
Locale Reference	ZZZ.Airport
State Reference	US
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	SR20
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Final Approach
Route In Use	Visual Approach
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	SR20
Operating Under FAR Part	Other 141
Flight Phase	Final Approach
Route In Use	Visual Approach
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Function	Pilot Not Flying
Qualification	Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Commercial
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 91 Flight Crew Total 1080 Flight Crew Type 800
Person 2
Function	Trainee
Qualification	Flight Crew Student
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 22 Flight Crew Total 22 Flight Crew Type 22
Events
Anomaly	Conflict NMAC Deviation - Procedural Clearance
Miss Distance	Horizontal 0 Vertical 400

Narrative:

My student and I were in the right traffic pattern for runway 23. We called right abeam for touch and go. The controller told us that we were number 3. We found our traffic and told him; 'traffic insight; will follow; number 3.' at the time of this transmission we were abeam. Number 1 was on short final for 23 (just before the approach lights for 23). Number 2 was about a 1.25 mile final for 23 (just outside the river.) we had the traffic insight the whole time. We waited until the number 2 traffic was abeam us in the opposite direction and turned base (we turned base just before the river and just past the railroad tracks. About 0.8 mile from the runway.) we continued and turned final. After we turned final we heard the skywatch go off; 'traffic;traffic'. The traffic was + 400; right above us. Immediately we heard over the radio; [aircraft Y] has traffic on final in sight. (I think he might have said he was avoiding us; but I'm not sure exactly how he said it.) the controller said; '[aircraft X]; (us) looks like you cut someone off.' I quickly apologized over the radio and said; 'sorry just before we landed I saw 2 of our training planes taxiing back to the ramp on charlie. We got blamed for the near midair collision; but I'm not sure it was entirely my fault. I talked to [the pilot of aircraft Y] on the ground 20 minutes later. He said he didn't have a number in traffic to follow; but he was on an extended left downwind and was told to keep following traffic. I'm not sure if it was his fault or my own.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: An SR20 Instructor and Student had a near miss with another Instructor and Student also in an SR20 in Class D airspace. ATC instructions were apparently followed but an aircraft was missed in the traffic pattern by either ATC or the Instructor.

Narrative: My student and I were in the right traffic pattern for Runway 23. We called right abeam for touch and go. The Controller told us that we were number 3. We found our traffic and told him; 'Traffic insight; will follow; number 3.' At the time of this transmission we were abeam. Number 1 was on short final for 23 (just before the approach lights for 23). Number 2 was about a 1.25 mile final for 23 (just outside the river.) We had the traffic insight the whole time. We waited until the number 2 traffic was abeam us in the opposite direction and turned base (We turned base just before the river and just past the railroad tracks. About 0.8 mile from the runway.) We continued and turned final. After we turned final we heard the Skywatch go off; 'TRAFFIC;TRAFFIC'. The traffic was + 400; right above us. Immediately we heard over the radio; [Aircraft Y] has traffic on final in sight. (I think he might have said he was avoiding us; but I'm not sure exactly how he said it.) The Controller said; '[Aircraft X]; (us) looks like you cut someone off.' I quickly apologized over the radio and said; 'Sorry Just before we landed I saw 2 of our training planes taxiing back to the ramp on Charlie. We got blamed for the near midair collision; but I'm not sure it was entirely my fault. I talked to [the pilot of Aircraft Y] on the ground 20 minutes later. He said he didn't have a number in traffic to follow; but he was on an extended left downwind and was told to keep following traffic. I'm not sure if it was his fault or my own.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An SR20 instructor and student had a near miss with another instructor and student also in an SR20 in class D airspace. ATC instructions were apparently followed but an aircraft was missed in the traffic pattern by either ATC or the instructor.