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Attributes | |
ACN | 86782 |
Time | |
Date | 198805 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rzs |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 22000 msl bound upper : 22000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15150 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 86782 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12800 |
ASRS Report | 86784 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While FAA inspector was in the cockpit performing a line check, the following deviation from the temporary medium large transport flight restrictions occurred. This was my first flight since the restriction was enacted. During our preflight review of the cabin differential information in the quick reference handbook and MEL and a discussion with the other capts who had been flying with the restriction of 23000' maximum altitude and 5 psi maximum differential, I determined that we would start the flight in the automatic pressurization mode set for 22000' cruise altitude and review the differential for as needed corrections during climb out. I did not want to preoccupy us with a task that would divert our attention from the thunderstorm cloud conditions along our departure, climb and route. While we did become preoccupied with this WX, inspector brought to our attention that the cabin differential was now 7.2 psi at 22000'. We switched to standby mode and began experimenting with cabin altitudes that would accommodate the 5 psi limitation. Approximately 8000' was found to be the appropriate number. We also further discussed and established a procedure, to accommodate this restriction during subsequent clbouts and dscnts. Inspectors comment was that most other carriers were publishing both an operational procedure and a cabin altitude setting. As a member of a 2-M crew, flying in a dense traffic area, I feel that we should have been provided specific instructions to accommodate an abnormal procedure, rather than experiment or research the flight manual graphs minutes before flight time. The entire 2-M concept is to not burden the crew with such abnormal duties. Medium large transport aircraft we were flying had 42944 hours airframe and 55288 cycles.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW ON ACR MLG ALLOWED CABIN DIFFERENTIAL TO EXCEED MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY TEMPORARY RESTRICTION.
Narrative: WHILE FAA INSPECTOR WAS IN THE COCKPIT PERFORMING A LINE CHK, THE FOLLOWING DEVIATION FROM THE TEMPORARY MLG FLT RESTRICTIONS OCCURRED. THIS WAS MY FIRST FLT SINCE THE RESTRICTION WAS ENACTED. DURING OUR PREFLT REVIEW OF THE CABIN DIFFERENTIAL INFO IN THE QUICK REFERENCE HANDBOOK AND MEL AND A DISCUSSION WITH THE OTHER CAPTS WHO HAD BEEN FLYING WITH THE RESTRICTION OF 23000' MAX ALT AND 5 PSI MAX DIFFERENTIAL, I DETERMINED THAT WE WOULD START THE FLT IN THE AUTO PRESSURIZATION MODE SET FOR 22000' CRUISE ALT AND REVIEW THE DIFFERENTIAL FOR AS NEEDED CORRECTIONS DURING CLBOUT. I DID NOT WANT TO PREOCCUPY US WITH A TASK THAT WOULD DIVERT OUR ATTN FROM THE TSTM CLOUD CONDITIONS ALONG OUR DEP, CLB AND ROUTE. WHILE WE DID BECOME PREOCCUPIED WITH THIS WX, INSPECTOR BROUGHT TO OUR ATTN THAT THE CABIN DIFFERENTIAL WAS NOW 7.2 PSI AT 22000'. WE SWITCHED TO STANDBY MODE AND BEGAN EXPERIMENTING WITH CABIN ALTS THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE 5 PSI LIMITATION. APPROX 8000' WAS FOUND TO BE THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER. WE ALSO FURTHER DISCUSSED AND ESTABLISHED A PROC, TO ACCOMMODATE THIS RESTRICTION DURING SUBSEQUENT CLBOUTS AND DSCNTS. INSPECTORS COMMENT WAS THAT MOST OTHER CARRIERS WERE PUBLISHING BOTH AN OPERATIONAL PROC AND A CABIN ALT SETTING. AS A MEMBER OF A 2-M CREW, FLYING IN A DENSE TFC AREA, I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS TO ACCOMMODATE AN ABNORMAL PROC, RATHER THAN EXPERIMENT OR RESEARCH THE FLT MANUAL GRAPHS MINUTES BEFORE FLT TIME. THE ENTIRE 2-M CONCEPT IS TO NOT BURDEN THE CREW WITH SUCH ABNORMAL DUTIES. MLG ACFT WE WERE FLYING HAD 42944 HRS AIRFRAME AND 55288 CYCLES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.