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A C550 maneuvered to avoid VFR traffic entering the pattern in conflict with their IFR departure procedure. The reporter feels a non-standard procedure for receiving their airways clearance and departure void time may have contributed to the event.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 870990 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201001 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | TRM.Airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Citation II S2/Bravo (C550) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
| Route In Use | Visual Approach |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Not Flying Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Instructor |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 225 Flight Crew Total 14000 Flight Crew Type 325 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
| Miss Distance | Horizontal 2500 Vertical 1500 |
Narrative:
After engine start; we taxied to runway 17 for departure. Other aircraft were holding for departure. When we called ATC for our clearance; we were instructed to call an 800 number for our clearance. Very similar to operations at an uncontrolled field. After making phone contact; we were given a clearance and a four minute void time. We were surprised that a void time was issued as we had contact with socal via VHF radio. Our clearance was to comply with the trm departure procedure and expect radar vectors for psp..pmd..sns; climb and maintain 8000 feet. The departure procedure off runway 17 was a left turn to track out on the 109 radial. On departure; (still on trm unicom) we encountered a VFR aircraft entering on the left 45 for runway 17. Due to the traffic and VFR conditions we made a slight deviation to the north for separation. This traffic was displayed on our type 2 TCAS as a TA. We were unable to advise ATC of this due to radio saturation and the deviation was; in our opinion; very minimal and in VFR conditions. When contact was made with socal ATC; they said a possible pilot deviation had occurred. We intercepted the 109 radial and very shortly afterward were given direct psp. The problem was that we had been given the clearance via phone; but expected release time from socal via VHF. In the process we were rushed to meet our void time. This is a nonstandard procedure. We should have been given our release time via VHF. If socal wants to use this procedure during periods of high workload; then this procedure should be noted to operators via AFD; notams; or other form of textual description. I eventually spoke with socal via telephone. They agreed that the release time should have been given via VHF. Although they said no pilot deviation would be filed; I feel that by explaining our situation it would help others flying out of the trm area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C550 maneuvered to avoid VFR traffic entering the pattern in conflict with their IFR departure procedure. The reporter feels a non-standard procedure for receiving their airways clearance and departure void time may have contributed to the event.
Narrative: After engine start; we taxied to Runway 17 for departure. Other aircraft were holding for departure. When we called ATC for our clearance; we were instructed to call an 800 number for our clearance. Very similar to operations at an uncontrolled field. After making phone contact; we were given a clearance and a four minute void time. We were surprised that a void time was issued as we had contact with SOCAL via VHF radio. Our clearance was to comply with the TRM Departure Procedure and expect radar vectors for PSP..PMD..SNS; climb and maintain 8000 feet. The Departure Procedure off Runway 17 was a left turn to track out on the 109 radial. On departure; (still on TRM UNICOM) we encountered a VFR aircraft entering on the left 45 for Runway 17. Due to the traffic and VFR conditions we made a slight deviation to the north for separation. This traffic was displayed on our Type 2 TCAS as a TA. We were unable to advise ATC of this due to radio saturation and the deviation was; in our opinion; very minimal and in VFR conditions. When contact was made with SOCAL ATC; they said a possible pilot deviation had occurred. We intercepted the 109 radial and very shortly afterward were given direct PSP. The problem was that we had been given the clearance via phone; but expected release time from SOCAL via VHF. In the process we were rushed to meet our void time. This is a nonstandard procedure. We should have been given our release time via VHF. If SOCAL wants to use this procedure during periods of high workload; then this procedure should be noted to operators via AFD; NOTAMs; or other form of textual description. I eventually spoke with SOCAL via telephone. They agreed that the release time should have been given via VHF. Although they said no pilot deviation would be filed; I feel that by explaining our situation it would help others flying out of the TRM Area.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.