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Attributes | |
ACN | 877676 |
Time | |
Date | 201003 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | D10.TRACON |
State Reference | TX |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Widebody Low Wing 4 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types |
Narrative:
Air carrier Y was following air carrier X on downwind to dfw runway 17C. When air carrier Y was 6.32 miles behind; air carrier X was turned base. Air carrier X slowed on base; but at that point air carrier Y was no longer behind him; nor was air carrier Y turned on the same path behind the heavy. However; because air carrier X's ground speed slowed on base; air carrier Y was 4.59 miles away when reaching the point that air carrier X turned. This was ruled a loss of wake turbulence separation because air carrier Y was not 5 miles behind the wake remnant of air carrier X. I do not agree with this ruling; as the heavy was turned out of the path of air carrier Y at 6.32 miles. Recommendation; 1. Tarp (traffic analysis and review program) is used as tool used to find ATC errors. ATC needs a complimentary tool to assist in preventing errors that tarp will catch. 2. This is another arbitrary ruling from aov (air traffic safety oversight service) and/or ato (air traffic organization) safety that has little or no foundation in FAA 7110.65. 3. As a long time cpc (certified professional controller) at D10; it seems that for the last few years; we have been held to a different; stricter; although not clearly defined standard than similar facilities in the system.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: D10 Controller described a loss of separation event when a 'Wake Remnant' standard was referenced by evaluations personnel; the reporter indicating no 'Wake Remnant' standard is currently listed in FAA Operational Orders.
Narrative: Air Carrier Y was following Air Carrier X on downwind to DFW Runway 17C. When Air Carrier Y was 6.32 miles behind; Air Carrier X was turned base. Air Carrier X slowed on base; but at that point Air Carrier Y was no longer behind him; nor was Air Carrier Y turned on the same path behind the heavy. However; because Air Carrier X's ground speed slowed on base; Air Carrier Y was 4.59 miles away when reaching the point that Air Carrier X turned. This was ruled a loss of wake turbulence separation because Air Carrier Y was not 5 miles behind the WAKE REMNANT of Air Carrier X. I do not agree with this ruling; as the heavy was turned out of the path of Air Carrier Y at 6.32 miles. Recommendation; 1. TARP (Traffic Analysis and Review Program) is used as tool used to find ATC errors. ATC needs a complimentary tool to assist in preventing errors that TARP will catch. 2. This is another arbitrary ruling from AOV (Air Traffic Safety Oversight Service) and/or ATO (Air Traffic Organization) safety that has little or no foundation in FAA 7110.65. 3. As a long time CPC (Certified Professional Controller) at D10; it seems that for the last few years; we have been held to a different; stricter; although not clearly defined standard than similar facilities in the system.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.