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Attributes | |
ACN | 893910 |
Time | |
Date | 201006 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | EWR.Airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Route In Use | Other Instrument Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Final Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
A B767 was on approach to ewr on the ILS 22L. The following air carrier is the one that actually lost separation with the B767. A non heavy air carrier was about 6 to 6 1/2 miles in trail of the B767. Winds were strong and both aircraft were already back to 180kts. The B767 was on the tower frequency and the following aircraft was switched to the tower at 11 to 12 miles from the runway. The B767 slowed more than most other aircraft at the time. The second jet never checked in with ewr tower until 5 mile final. This means second air carrier was not talking to any facility for six miles and was closing in on the B767. As soon as second air carrier checked in with ewr tower; the controller issued the go around because separation had been lost. The ewr tower controller probably wasn't worried about not talking with the air carrier; thinking that the final controller was trying to make it work with speed control or establishing visual separation. The final controller thought that the air carrier was already talking to the tower and assumed that the tower controller was going to establish visual separation or reduce the speed of the air carrier. There was no way for the ewr tower controller to know that the air carrier had already been switched but they weren't talking to him for six miles and there was no way for the final controller to know that the tower still wasn't talking to the air carrier. Each controller thought the other was still in control of the air carrier. Six miles is way to long for that air carrier to be in frequency limbo. The pilot must bare some responsibility in this case. Recommendation; give us a way for the final controller to indicate to the tower; thru some form of automation; that the air carrier has been switched and should be talking to the tower. Additionally; the air carrier jet was always about 1;500 to 2;000 feet higher than the heavy jet but because of the old rules regarding and aircraft that have been cleared for an instrument approach behind a heavy; the 1;000 feet of vertical separation meant nothing. The rules regarding wake turbulence separation need to be revised.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: N90 Controller described a loss of wake separation event involving two arrivals to EWR. The TRACON and tower controllers each assumed the other controllers were taking action; resulting in a go-around instruction.
Narrative: A B767 was on approach to EWR on the ILS 22L. The following air carrier is the one that actually lost separation with the B767. A non heavy air carrier was about 6 to 6 1/2 miles in trail of the B767. Winds were strong and both aircraft were already back to 180kts. The B767 was on the Tower frequency and the following aircraft was switched to the Tower at 11 to 12 miles from the runway. The B767 slowed more than most other aircraft at the time. The second jet never checked in with EWR Tower until 5 mile final. This means second air carrier was not talking to any facility for six miles and was closing in on the B767. As soon as second air carrier checked in with EWR Tower; the controller issued the go around because separation had been lost. The EWR Tower Controller probably wasn't worried about not talking with the air carrier; thinking that the Final Controller was trying to make it work with speed control or establishing visual separation. The Final Controller thought that the air carrier was already talking to the Tower and assumed that the tower controller was going to establish visual separation or reduce the speed of the air carrier. There was no way for the EWR Tower Controller to know that the air carrier had already been switched but they weren't talking to him for six miles and there was no way for the Final Controller to know that the Tower still wasn't talking to the air carrier. Each controller thought the other was still in control of the air carrier. Six miles is way to long for that air carrier to be in frequency limbo. The pilot must bare some responsibility in this case. Recommendation; give us a way for the Final Controller to indicate to the Tower; thru some form of automation; that the air carrier has been switched and should be talking to the Tower. Additionally; the air carrier jet was always about 1;500 to 2;000 feet higher than the heavy jet but because of the old rules regarding and aircraft that have been cleared for an instrument approach behind a Heavy; the 1;000 feet of vertical separation meant nothing. The rules regarding wake turbulence separation need to be revised.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.