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Attributes | |
ACN | 89824 |
Time | |
Date | 198806 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sdz |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 24000 msl bound upper : 29000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zjx |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 11000 |
ASRS Report | 89824 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
First officer flying and communicating (captain not in loop) was clrd to cross 60 south of sdz at FL240. First officer read back 'sixteen south at 240'. Should have read 'one six south at 240'. Controller should have clrd us to cross 'six zero south at 240'. I questioned first officer on the 16 figure (an odd distance that didn't correspond to an intersection on arrival chart). At about 65 mi south of sdz we finally straightened out the distance albeit too late to make the crossing. When I asked controller to waive the crossing he said 'just do the best you can', which is meaningless. Standard radio phraseology should always be used. There are sound reasons for its use and I'm sure it has evolved out of screw-ups like the aforementioned.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FAILED TO COMPLY WITH CLRNC TO CROSS 60 DME SOUTH AT 240.
Narrative: F/O FLYING AND COMMUNICATING (CAPT NOT IN LOOP) WAS CLRD TO CROSS 60 S OF SDZ AT FL240. F/O READ BACK 'SIXTEEN S AT 240'. SHOULD HAVE READ 'ONE SIX SOUTH AT 240'. CTLR SHOULD HAVE CLRD US TO CROSS 'SIX ZERO SOUTH AT 240'. I QUESTIONED F/O ON THE 16 FIGURE (AN ODD DISTANCE THAT DIDN'T CORRESPOND TO AN INTXN ON ARRIVAL CHART). AT ABOUT 65 MI SOUTH OF SDZ WE FINALLY STRAIGHTENED OUT THE DISTANCE ALBEIT TOO LATE TO MAKE THE XING. WHEN I ASKED CTLR TO WAIVE THE XING HE SAID 'JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN', WHICH IS MEANINGLESS. STANDARD RADIO PHRASEOLOGY SHOULD ALWAYS BE USED. THERE ARE SOUND REASONS FOR ITS USE AND I'M SURE IT HAS EVOLVED OUT OF SCREW-UPS LIKE THE AFOREMENTIONED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.