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Attributes | |
ACN | 91358 |
Time | |
Date | 198807 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : iad |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : iad |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Heavy Transport, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 600 flight time type : 60 |
ASRS Report | 91358 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : vfr in imc non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1750 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Combination of very limited visibility conditions, severe haze and garble ATC/pilot communication over 2-WAY radio. Flight origination: west 66. Destination: lancaster, PA. Intended route of flight: warrenton direct armel VOR, direct westminster VOR, direct lancaster VOR. VFR conditions existed at time of departure from west 66 and VFR conditions were also prevailing for our route of flight as previously checked by phone. Upon departure from west 66 at about 2000' and climbing, iad approach was contacted on assigned frequency. Since dulles was unable to copy our xmissions we decided to try again a bit later. At a higher altitude and close to iad, east of manassas airport, we again tried iad approach, this time successfully. We were assigned a transponder code. At this time we asked iad to verify mode C altitude. Iad reported 2600' for an indicated altitude of 2550' as corrected by iad altimeter setting. Approximately 3-5 mi sse of iad and with iad in sight, we requested from iad approach direct westminster VOR from present position. Since visibility started worsening as time went on (extremely hazy) we requested to climb to 3500' with the hope of encountering better visibility. From this point on radio xmissions from iad because more and more difficult to understand (broken up and severely interfered by other parties in the frequency). Iad approach called for traffic at 11 O'clock. We acknowledged the callout, but negative traffic contact. We were nebnd, on heading and still climbing, we lowered the nose temporarily to keep looking for traffic at 11 O'clock as previously called for. Still no traffic. We found ourselves at this point with no ground contact and visibility reduced to almost nothing probably a couple of hundred feet all around the aircraft. Very concerned about our compounded situation, very poor visibility, a target converging on us, radio xmissions unintelligible in what appeared to be IMC conditions we decided to inform iad approach of our eminent problem. We called once, no answer. Called twice, no answer. At this point suspecting radio inoperative we decided to use a portable standby walkie-talkie. Still unable to make sense of radio xmissions, we decided to concentrate on the reported traffic. Suddenly at approximately 9-10 O'clock, at a range of 1500-2000', we spotted the unmistakable heavy transport. It appeared to be 200-300' above our flight path in a climbing right turn. We automatically dove away. A second later we heard dulles calling us. We responded, but no answer. Dulles kept calling and we kept answering. Finally after 3 or 4 tries, we established radio contact again. Iad approach asked why we descended. No recollection of what we answered. We climbed to 3500' on a northbound heading, still in very poor visibility conditions and with radio xmissions still breaking up. Using a walkie-talkie we requested a frequency change. We were assigned a new frequency that we dialed in the aircraft radio. From this point on radio conversation back and forth with iad approach went back to normal. Right before leaving dulles TRSA approach informed us to call on the landline as soon as we touched down, which we did as soon as we landed in lancaster airport.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA SMA WITH CLRNC TO OVERFLY IAD ARSA DESCENDED INTO THE ARSA DURING AN AVOIDANCE MANEUVER.
Narrative: COMBINATION OF VERY LIMITED VIS CONDITIONS, SEVERE HAZE AND GARBLE ATC/PLT COM OVER 2-WAY RADIO. FLT ORIGINATION: W 66. DEST: LANCASTER, PA. INTENDED ROUTE OF FLT: WARRENTON DIRECT ARMEL VOR, DIRECT WESTMINSTER VOR, DIRECT LANCASTER VOR. VFR CONDITIONS EXISTED AT TIME OF DEP FROM W 66 AND VFR CONDITIONS WERE ALSO PREVAILING FOR OUR ROUTE OF FLT AS PREVIOUSLY CHKED BY PHONE. UPON DEP FROM W 66 AT ABOUT 2000' AND CLBING, IAD APCH WAS CONTACTED ON ASSIGNED FREQ. SINCE DULLES WAS UNABLE TO COPY OUR XMISSIONS WE DECIDED TO TRY AGAIN A BIT LATER. AT A HIGHER ALT AND CLOSE TO IAD, E OF MANASSAS ARPT, WE AGAIN TRIED IAD APCH, THIS TIME SUCCESSFULLY. WE WERE ASSIGNED A TRANSPONDER CODE. AT THIS TIME WE ASKED IAD TO VERIFY MODE C ALT. IAD RPTED 2600' FOR AN INDICATED ALT OF 2550' AS CORRECTED BY IAD ALTIMETER SETTING. APPROX 3-5 MI SSE OF IAD AND WITH IAD IN SIGHT, WE REQUESTED FROM IAD APCH DIRECT WESTMINSTER VOR FROM PRESENT POS. SINCE VIS STARTED WORSENING AS TIME WENT ON (EXTREMELY HAZY) WE REQUESTED TO CLB TO 3500' WITH THE HOPE OF ENCOUNTERING BETTER VIS. FROM THIS POINT ON RADIO XMISSIONS FROM IAD BECAUSE MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND (BROKEN UP AND SEVERELY INTERFERED BY OTHER PARTIES IN THE FREQ). IAD APCH CALLED FOR TFC AT 11 O'CLOCK. WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE CALLOUT, BUT NEGATIVE TFC CONTACT. WE WERE NEBND, ON HDG AND STILL CLBING, WE LOWERED THE NOSE TEMPORARILY TO KEEP LOOKING FOR TFC AT 11 O'CLOCK AS PREVIOUSLY CALLED FOR. STILL NO TFC. WE FOUND OURSELVES AT THIS POINT WITH NO GND CONTACT AND VIS REDUCED TO ALMOST NOTHING PROBABLY A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET ALL AROUND THE ACFT. VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR COMPOUNDED SITUATION, VERY POOR VIS, A TARGET CONVERGING ON US, RADIO XMISSIONS UNINTELLIGIBLE IN WHAT APPEARED TO BE IMC CONDITIONS WE DECIDED TO INFORM IAD APCH OF OUR EMINENT PROB. WE CALLED ONCE, NO ANSWER. CALLED TWICE, NO ANSWER. AT THIS POINT SUSPECTING RADIO INOP WE DECIDED TO USE A PORTABLE STANDBY WALKIE-TALKIE. STILL UNABLE TO MAKE SENSE OF RADIO XMISSIONS, WE DECIDED TO CONCENTRATE ON THE RPTED TFC. SUDDENLY AT APPROX 9-10 O'CLOCK, AT A RANGE OF 1500-2000', WE SPOTTED THE UNMISTAKABLE HVT. IT APPEARED TO BE 200-300' ABOVE OUR FLT PATH IN A CLBING RIGHT TURN. WE AUTOMATICALLY DOVE AWAY. A SECOND LATER WE HEARD DULLES CALLING US. WE RESPONDED, BUT NO ANSWER. DULLES KEPT CALLING AND WE KEPT ANSWERING. FINALLY AFTER 3 OR 4 TRIES, WE ESTABLISHED RADIO CONTACT AGAIN. IAD APCH ASKED WHY WE DSNDED. NO RECOLLECTION OF WHAT WE ANSWERED. WE CLBED TO 3500' ON A NBOUND HDG, STILL IN VERY POOR VIS CONDITIONS AND WITH RADIO XMISSIONS STILL BREAKING UP. USING A WALKIE-TALKIE WE REQUESTED A FREQ CHANGE. WE WERE ASSIGNED A NEW FREQ THAT WE DIALED IN THE ACFT RADIO. FROM THIS POINT ON RADIO CONVERSATION BACK AND FORTH WITH IAD APCH WENT BACK TO NORMAL. RIGHT BEFORE LEAVING DULLES TRSA APCH INFORMED US TO CALL ON THE LANDLINE AS SOON AS WE TOUCHED DOWN, WHICH WE DID AS SOON AS WE LANDED IN LANCASTER ARPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.