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Attributes | |
ACN | 92323 |
Time | |
Date | 198808 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : crl |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 28000 msl bound upper : 28500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zob |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
ASRS Report | 92323 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 92250 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cruising at FL270 the first officer left the cockpit to go aft to the cabin. A few moments later ATC cleared us to climb to what I believe was FL290. The captain acknowledged the climb clearance and altitude and set 29,000' in the altitude select window. Traffic was reported at our 8 O'clock position, which we did not see at the time. Approximately 1 min later, the captain spotted the traffic and remarked that it appeared to be closer in distance and altitude than expected. The captain then asked me if I agreed that our cleared altitude was FL290 and I answered yes. We were climbing through about FL280 when the first officer returned to the cockpit. The captain then advised the first officer that we were climbing to FL290. Climbing through FL284, ATC called for us to maintain FL280. The first officer acknowledged the clearance, advising center we were descending from FL284 to FL280. Center then advised us that the cleared altitude had been for FL280 and of a possible altitude deviation report. At no time was there a question in my mind about the altitude we had been cleared to or that the captain had acknowledged a climb to FL290. The captain confirmed the altitude with me only because of the proximity of the other aircraft which passed behind us and at no time was there a hazardous situation. No deviation from standard radio and operational procedure occurred. After talking with ATC, the captain said that the tapes showed that we had been cleared to FL280 and that he had acknowledged the clearance to that altitude. The misunderstanding on my part may have been caused by the anticipation of a clearance to FL290, because that was our filed final altitude. The situation could probably have been avoided had we confirmed the altitude after spotting the other aircraft when it seemed that it would pass closer than normal sep. Supplemental information from acn 92250: I do not know how the clearance to FL290 came about, however, the readbacks and procedural reporting, which included the clearance to FL290, did not have the effect of alerting the 2 controllers that we were climbing to 290 (if that was not their intent). The ind ARTCC controller was clearly involved in the control of a number of other aircraft, some of which, as I recall, we did not hear acknowledging xmissions, leading to my speculation that they were on another frequency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW CONFUSION AS TO ALT ASSIGNMENT.
Narrative: WE WERE CRUISING AT FL270 THE F/O LEFT THE COCKPIT TO GO AFT TO THE CABIN. A FEW MOMENTS LATER ATC CLRED US TO CLB TO WHAT I BELIEVE WAS FL290. THE CAPT ACKNOWLEDGED THE CLB CLRNC AND ALT AND SET 29,000' IN THE ALT SELECT WINDOW. TFC WAS RPTED AT OUR 8 O'CLOCK POS, WHICH WE DID NOT SEE AT THE TIME. APPROX 1 MIN LATER, THE CAPT SPOTTED THE TFC AND REMARKED THAT IT APPEARED TO BE CLOSER IN DISTANCE AND ALT THAN EXPECTED. THE CAPT THEN ASKED ME IF I AGREED THAT OUR CLRED ALT WAS FL290 AND I ANSWERED YES. WE WERE CLBING THROUGH ABOUT FL280 WHEN THE F/O RETURNED TO THE COCKPIT. THE CAPT THEN ADVISED THE F/O THAT WE WERE CLBING TO FL290. CLBING THROUGH FL284, ATC CALLED FOR US TO MAINTAIN FL280. THE F/O ACKNOWLEDGED THE CLRNC, ADVISING CENTER WE WERE DSNDING FROM FL284 TO FL280. CENTER THEN ADVISED US THAT THE CLRED ALT HAD BEEN FOR FL280 AND OF A POSSIBLE ALT DEVIATION RPT. AT NO TIME WAS THERE A QUESTION IN MY MIND ABOUT THE ALT WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO OR THAT THE CAPT HAD ACKNOWLEDGED A CLB TO FL290. THE CAPT CONFIRMED THE ALT WITH ME ONLY BECAUSE OF THE PROX OF THE OTHER ACFT WHICH PASSED BEHIND US AND AT NO TIME WAS THERE A HAZARDOUS SITUATION. NO DEVIATION FROM STANDARD RADIO AND OPERATIONAL PROC OCCURRED. AFTER TALKING WITH ATC, THE CAPT SAID THAT THE TAPES SHOWED THAT WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO FL280 AND THAT HE HAD ACKNOWLEDGED THE CLRNC TO THAT ALT. THE MISUNDERSTANDING ON MY PART MAY HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY THE ANTICIPATION OF A CLRNC TO FL290, BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR FILED FINAL ALT. THE SITUATION COULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN AVOIDED HAD WE CONFIRMED THE ALT AFTER SPOTTING THE OTHER ACFT WHEN IT SEEMED THAT IT WOULD PASS CLOSER THAN NORMAL SEP. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 92250: I DO NOT KNOW HOW THE CLRNC TO FL290 CAME ABOUT, HOWEVER, THE READBACKS AND PROCEDURAL REPORTING, WHICH INCLUDED THE CLRNC TO FL290, DID NOT HAVE THE EFFECT OF ALERTING THE 2 CTLRS THAT WE WERE CLBING TO 290 (IF THAT WAS NOT THEIR INTENT). THE IND ARTCC CTLR WAS CLEARLY INVOLVED IN THE CTL OF A NUMBER OF OTHER ACFT, SOME OF WHICH, AS I RECALL, WE DID NOT HEAR ACKNOWLEDGING XMISSIONS, LEADING TO MY SPECULATION THAT THEY WERE ON ANOTHER FREQ.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.