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Attributes | |
ACN | 92409 |
Time | |
Date | 198808 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : tlh |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 37000 msl bound upper : 37000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 180 |
ASRS Report | 92409 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
This is submitted out of concern that the controller might file on our flight. We were eastbound south of tlh and a request to deviate north to avoid thunderstorms was denied. A vector to the south was assigned. In the vicinity of leggt intersection, a line of thunderstorms mandated a more southerly deviation. The controller became upset over our proximity to the adjacent restr area and attempted to vector us into the thunderstorms and to make us squawk 7700. Neither request was complied with and we were immediately transferred to the next sector west/O further difficulty. Vectoring the flight south with the knowledge that the range in the restr area was hot might have been the root problem. I don't see this as a big deal, but the request to squawk 7700 is an invitation to paperwork. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: discussed ramifications of squawking code 7700. I tried to explain to reporter that controller was probably trying to ensure that his aircraft would be noticed on scope of milfac controller working traffic in warning area, or on scope of other ARTCC sector controllers. I also tried to tell reporter that there probably would not be any paperwork involved for him if he complied with ATC instruction for 7700 code. Incident was over 30 days ago and reporter has not had any follow up from FAA. Does not think they actually got into west 470 area. Next controller handled flight calmly and routinely.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DURING WX AVOIDANCE ACR GOT IN PROX TO WARNING AREA. FLT CREW REFUSED TURN INTO TSTM AND ALSO REFUSED TO SQUAWK CODE 7700.
Narrative: THIS IS SUBMITTED OUT OF CONCERN THAT THE CTLR MIGHT FILE ON OUR FLT. WE WERE EBND S OF TLH AND A REQUEST TO DEVIATE N TO AVOID TSTMS WAS DENIED. A VECTOR TO THE S WAS ASSIGNED. IN THE VICINITY OF LEGGT INTXN, A LINE OF TSTMS MANDATED A MORE SOUTHERLY DEVIATION. THE CTLR BECAME UPSET OVER OUR PROX TO THE ADJACENT RESTR AREA AND ATTEMPTED TO VECTOR US INTO THE TSTMS AND TO MAKE US SQUAWK 7700. NEITHER REQUEST WAS COMPLIED WITH AND WE WERE IMMEDIATELY TRANSFERRED TO THE NEXT SECTOR W/O FURTHER DIFFICULTY. VECTORING THE FLT S WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE RANGE IN THE RESTR AREA WAS HOT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE ROOT PROB. I DON'T SEE THIS AS A BIG DEAL, BUT THE REQUEST TO SQUAWK 7700 IS AN INVITATION TO PAPERWORK. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: DISCUSSED RAMIFICATIONS OF SQUAWKING CODE 7700. I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO RPTR THAT CTLR WAS PROBABLY TRYING TO ENSURE THAT HIS ACFT WOULD BE NOTICED ON SCOPE OF MILFAC CTLR WORKING TFC IN WARNING AREA, OR ON SCOPE OF OTHER ARTCC SECTOR CTLRS. I ALSO TRIED TO TELL RPTR THAT THERE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE ANY PAPERWORK INVOLVED FOR HIM IF HE COMPLIED WITH ATC INSTRUCTION FOR 7700 CODE. INCIDENT WAS OVER 30 DAYS AGO AND RPTR HAS NOT HAD ANY FOLLOW UP FROM FAA. DOES NOT THINK THEY ACTUALLY GOT INTO W 470 AREA. NEXT CTLR HANDLED FLT CALMLY AND ROUTINELY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.