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Attributes | |
ACN | 935435 |
Time | |
Date | 201103 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ABE.TRACON |
State Reference | PA |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream V / G500 / G550 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Airspace Violation All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
N90; zeebo/mugzy sector descended a G4 into our airspace without coordination. I just full routed the transponder code to see who it was; he was supposed to simply be at 6;000 ft; overflying our airspace into teb. We own 5;000 and below and this aircraft crossed the airspace boundary at 4;500 ft and descending. A few minutes later; the same sector descended a PA31; which we gave them at 5;000; in our airspace; without coordination. Two events in a 10 minute time period. Our radar is quite good in that area; and not that it's an excuse for a deviation; but I observed no traffic in front of these aircraft that warranted these descents. This has been the case practically every time I observe these early descents. Recommendation; in a previous report I believe 4 basically same type deviations occurred in a very short time period; maybe over a 30 minute time frame. They do this; and I'll estimate low; I'm guessing; at least 40 times a day. N90 calls us for unnecessary coordination all the time; items that are in the LOA; manual hand offs that simply need to be departed; they should notice that and have their data person depart the aircraft instead of calling us on the land line; manual hand offs with vfrs that can be flashed to us. For one of the busier and supposedly best facilities in the country (world?); there are some very unimpressive controllers there. If they need to descend these aircraft in our airspace they need to point out the aircraft to us. We send aircraft to them at 5;000 over stw and have traffic on V162 northeast bound at 5;000; which is just northwest of stw. Unless this very sloppy/lazy work is fixed; the system is going to be absolutely unsafe. Either these are experienced controllers that are just sloppy and setting a very bad example for newer ones; or they are the newer ones that are just unaware and scary. If anyone would look at the radar data at this location; just northwest or stw VOR; they would see deviation after deviation. We are slowly getting the bar where it should be at abe; as far as poor developmentals go. Has the bar gotten low at N90? [It is] worth looking into. These people are going to train the next controllers. How unsafe is it going to be allowed to get?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ABE Controller voiced concern regarding the continued and frequent number of unauthorized airspace entries by C90 Controllers.
Narrative: N90; Zeebo/Mugzy Sector descended a G4 into our airspace without coordination. I just full routed the transponder code to see who it was; he was supposed to simply be at 6;000 FT; overflying our airspace into TEB. We own 5;000 and below and this aircraft crossed the airspace boundary at 4;500 FT and descending. A few minutes later; the same sector descended a PA31; which we gave them at 5;000; in our airspace; without coordination. Two events in a 10 minute time period. Our RADAR is quite good in that area; and not that it's an excuse for a deviation; but I observed no traffic in front of these aircraft that warranted these descents. This has been the case practically every time I observe these early descents. Recommendation; in a previous report I believe 4 basically same type deviations occurred in a very short time period; maybe over a 30 minute time frame. They do this; and I'll estimate low; I'm guessing; at least 40 times a day. N90 calls us for unnecessary coordination all the time; items that are in the LOA; manual hand offs that simply need to be departed; they should notice that and have their data person depart the aircraft instead of calling us on the land line; manual hand offs with VFRs that can be flashed to us. For one of the busier and supposedly best facilities in the country (world?); there are some very unimpressive controllers there. If they need to descend these aircraft in our airspace they need to point out the aircraft to us. We send aircraft to them at 5;000 over STW and have traffic on V162 northeast bound at 5;000; which is just northwest of STW. Unless this very sloppy/lazy work is fixed; the system is going to be absolutely unsafe. Either these are experienced controllers that are just sloppy and setting a very bad example for newer ones; or they are the newer ones that are just unaware and scary. If anyone would look at the RADAR data at this location; just northwest or STW VOR; they would see deviation after deviation. We are slowly getting the bar where it should be at ABE; as far as poor Developmentals go. Has the bar gotten low at N90? [It is] worth looking into. These people are going to train the next controllers. How unsafe is it going to be allowed to get?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.