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Attributes | |
ACN | 93967 |
Time | |
Date | 198809 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8500 msl bound upper : 8800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny tower : cmh |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 93967 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Flight stl dir ewr was descending from 9000 to 7000' on the slate run 5 arrival to ewr. Visibility was good--20+ mi with widely scattered clouds. I noticed an aircraft at 11 O'clock and slightly below our altitude. I momentarily thought it was ny area arrival traffic that we would be following since there appeared to be no relative motion. I quickly realized that the aircraft was not a distant large aircraft, but a rapidly approaching light twin and called out, 'traffic at 11 O'clock, closing.' the captain spotted it and took control from the first officer who was flying. He leveled off or climbed a little to 8800' immediately. Within 5 seconds the traffic which appeared to be a blue and white small transport passed directly beneath us. We suspect he was at 8500'. As the twin passed us ATC reported VFR traffic at 11 O'clock and 1 mi. The captain responded, 'he's 5 O'clock and 1 mi. He just passed beneath us.' if we had not leveled off, I think we would have collided. I believe being cleared to 7000' 44 mi from your destination airport is unsafe, especially in the ny area where VFR traffic avoids the TCA by flying around broadway and penns. The arrival calls for penns at 9000' (44 mi from ewr) and broadway at 7000' (30 mi from ewr). We were at 250 KTS and if the twin was at 200 KTS, that is a closure rate of 450 KTS, or 1 mi every 8 seconds! You see how much protection the 3 mi VFR rule gives! I think commercial aircraft should be kept above 10000' until within 30-35 mi of the field.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX ACR-WDB GA-SMT 44 NM NW OF EWR.
Narrative: FLT STL DIR EWR WAS DSNDING FROM 9000 TO 7000' ON THE SLATE RUN 5 ARR TO EWR. VIS WAS GOOD--20+ MI WITH WIDELY SCATTERED CLOUDS. I NOTICED AN ACFT AT 11 O'CLOCK AND SLIGHTLY BELOW OUR ALT. I MOMENTARILY THOUGHT IT WAS NY AREA ARR TFC THAT WE WOULD BE FOLLOWING SINCE THERE APPEARED TO BE NO RELATIVE MOTION. I QUICKLY REALIZED THAT THE ACFT WAS NOT A DISTANT LARGE ACFT, BUT A RAPIDLY APCHING LIGHT TWIN AND CALLED OUT, 'TFC AT 11 O'CLOCK, CLOSING.' THE CAPT SPOTTED IT AND TOOK CTL FROM THE F/O WHO WAS FLYING. HE LEVELED OFF OR CLBED A LITTLE TO 8800' IMMEDIATELY. WITHIN 5 SECS THE TFC WHICH APPEARED TO BE A BLUE AND WHITE SMT PASSED DIRECTLY BENEATH US. WE SUSPECT HE WAS AT 8500'. AS THE TWIN PASSED US ATC RPTED VFR TFC AT 11 O'CLOCK AND 1 MI. THE CAPT RESPONDED, 'HE'S 5 O'CLOCK AND 1 MI. HE JUST PASSED BENEATH US.' IF WE HAD NOT LEVELED OFF, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE COLLIDED. I BELIEVE BEING CLRED TO 7000' 44 MI FROM YOUR DEST ARPT IS UNSAFE, ESPECIALLY IN THE NY AREA WHERE VFR TFC AVOIDS THE TCA BY FLYING AROUND BROADWAY AND PENNS. THE ARR CALLS FOR PENNS AT 9000' (44 MI FROM EWR) AND BROADWAY AT 7000' (30 MI FROM EWR). WE WERE AT 250 KTS AND IF THE TWIN WAS AT 200 KTS, THAT IS A CLOSURE RATE OF 450 KTS, OR 1 MI EVERY 8 SECS! YOU SEE HOW MUCH PROTECTION THE 3 MI VFR RULE GIVES! I THINK COMMERCIAL ACFT SHOULD BE KEPT ABOVE 10000' UNTIL WITHIN 30-35 MI OF THE FIELD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.