 |
37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
An air carrier on the phl gummi arrival was not issued a timely descent clearance from FL390 and consequently were turned south and then rerouted back north with the normal descent crossing altitudes. Coordination between controllers was apparently was apparently lacking.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 942045 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201104 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZDC.ARTCC |
| State Reference | VA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Cruise |
| Route In Use | Vectors STAR GUMMI |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | First Officer |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 201 Flight Crew Type 3500 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 100 Flight Crew Type 6000 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
Around cae we were cleared direct to fak. Just south of rdu; the captain and I thought it odd that ATC wasn't starting us down early like they always do. We asked the controller when we could expect a descent. He said to contact the washington center. We asked him about the descent and he gave us a 180-degree turn to the south and told us he thought we had been NORDO. He took us south of fak and descended us. We were cleared direct to fak and passed off to the next controller. It should be noted that another carrier's jet in front of us was asking the same questions and getting the same descent vectors as we were. This was an ATC coordination error. ATC hand-off not issued to aircrew.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An Air Carrier on the PHL GUMMI arrival was not issued a timely descent clearance from FL390 and consequently were turned south and then rerouted back north with the normal descent crossing altitudes. Coordination between controllers was apparently was apparently lacking.
Narrative: Around CAE we were cleared direct to FAK. Just south of RDU; the Captain and I thought it odd that ATC wasn't starting us down early like they always do. We asked the Controller when we could expect a descent. He said to contact the Washington Center. We asked him about the descent and he gave us a 180-degree turn to the south and told us he thought we had been NORDO. He took us south of FAK and descended us. We were cleared direct to FAK and passed off to the next Controller. It should be noted that another carrier's jet in front of us was asking the same questions and getting the same descent vectors as we were. This was an ATC coordination error. ATC hand-off not issued to aircrew.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.