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Attributes | |
ACN | 94695 |
Time | |
Date | 198809 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bna |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 27000 msl bound upper : 27500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 94695 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were assigned to climb to 33000' and hold 250 KTS in the climb due to same direction traffic ATC was trying to get ahead of us. We advised ATC that due to our weight we could not hold 250 KTS at 33000'. We said we must increase speed. ATC said maintain 270 KTS. We read back to maintain 270 KTS. ATC did not question our readback. What ATC wanted was maintain 250 KTS and 27000'. At 27800' ATC questioned our altitude and told us to maintain 28000' and 250 KTS. I feel this problem was due to ATC failure to be specific in his clearance and listen to our readback.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THOUGHT CLEARED TO MAINTAIN 270 KTS AT FL330. CLRNC TO MAINTAIN 250 KTS AT FL270.
Narrative: WE WERE ASSIGNED TO CLB TO 33000' AND HOLD 250 KTS IN THE CLB DUE TO SAME DIRECTION TFC ATC WAS TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF US. WE ADVISED ATC THAT DUE TO OUR WT WE COULD NOT HOLD 250 KTS AT 33000'. WE SAID WE MUST INCREASE SPD. ATC SAID MAINTAIN 270 KTS. WE READ BACK TO MAINTAIN 270 KTS. ATC DID NOT QUESTION OUR READBACK. WHAT ATC WANTED WAS MAINTAIN 250 KTS AND 27000'. AT 27800' ATC QUESTIONED OUR ALT AND TOLD US TO MAINTAIN 28000' AND 250 KTS. I FEEL THIS PROB WAS DUE TO ATC FAILURE TO BE SPECIFIC IN HIS CLRNC AND LISTEN TO OUR READBACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.