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Attributes | |
ACN | 94926 |
Time | |
Date | 198809 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mlb |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mlb |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 94926 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Medium large transport X was cleared for takeoff on runway 27L at the mlb on runway heading and instructed to level off at 2000' MSL (initial altitude clearance given by clearance delivery). After takeoff, we were told to change over to patrick approach frequency. We contacted patrick and were in the process of leveling off at 2000' MSL when we were advised there was small aircraft traffic holding at the satellite NDB (257 sqt) at 2500' MSL located 2.1 mi due west of the departure end of runway 27L. At 2000' MSL upon level off and concurrent with advisory, we visually acquired the small aircraft who was heading in the opp direction approximately over the sqt NDB. My first reaction and that of my first officer was to take evasive action away from the aforementioned aircraft. At this time we were at 220-230 KTS and retarding the power so as not to exceed 250 KTS. I asked the controller if this was a standard procedure to allow people to hold at that altitude that close to the departure end of an active takeoff runway. She responded that I was given a 'legal clearance.' I seem to remember that a supervisor came on the radio and made a comment that the procedure was not a particularly good one. Aside legality, I asked the controller if she thought it was a prudent procedure to be using while commercial aircraft were departing an airport. I also responded that the pilot of the small aircraft was crazy to be flying in that particular airspace which was along the extended centerline of the departure runway. My final comment was that in the future if they were conducting such operations that I would prefer to hold in position until they cleared that aircraft out of my departure path. I was then handed off to the next frequency. My point is this: is this a prudent ATC procedure? This procedure may work 'legally' (?), but what if the small aircraft has an engine failure or some other major emergency and decides to land on runway 9R mlb (same runway, opp direction). The chance of a collision rises astronomically, especially if he/she doesn't have my medium large transport in sight. How many experienced pilots (commercial or private) would knowingly accept such a takeoff clearance if they had been advised of this situation in advance? Not many, I predict.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR-MLG RESTRICTED TO 2000' DURING DEP FOR SMA HOLDING AT NDB, VFR AT 2500'.
Narrative: MLG X WAS CLRED FOR TKOF ON RWY 27L AT THE MLB ON RWY HDG AND INSTRUCTED TO LEVEL OFF AT 2000' MSL (INITIAL ALT CLRNC GIVEN BY CLRNC DELIVERY). AFTER TKOF, WE WERE TOLD TO CHANGE OVER TO PATRICK APCH FREQ. WE CONTACTED PATRICK AND WERE IN THE PROCESS OF LEVELING OFF AT 2000' MSL WHEN WE WERE ADVISED THERE WAS SMA TFC HOLDING AT THE SATELLITE NDB (257 SQT) AT 2500' MSL LOCATED 2.1 MI DUE W OF THE DEP END OF RWY 27L. AT 2000' MSL UPON LEVEL OFF AND CONCURRENT WITH ADVISORY, WE VISUALLY ACQUIRED THE SMA WHO WAS HDG IN THE OPP DIRECTION APPROX OVER THE SQT NDB. MY FIRST REACTION AND THAT OF MY F/O WAS TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION AWAY FROM THE AFOREMENTIONED ACFT. AT THIS TIME WE WERE AT 220-230 KTS AND RETARDING THE PWR SO AS NOT TO EXCEED 250 KTS. I ASKED THE CTLR IF THIS WAS A STANDARD PROC TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO HOLD AT THAT ALT THAT CLOSE TO THE DEP END OF AN ACTIVE TKOF RWY. SHE RESPONDED THAT I WAS GIVEN A 'LEGAL CLRNC.' I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT A SUPVR CAME ON THE RADIO AND MADE A COMMENT THAT THE PROC WAS NOT A PARTICULARLY GOOD ONE. ASIDE LEGALITY, I ASKED THE CTLR IF SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A PRUDENT PROC TO BE USING WHILE COMMERCIAL ACFT WERE DEPARTING AN ARPT. I ALSO RESPONDED THAT THE PLT OF THE SMA WAS CRAZY TO BE FLYING IN THAT PARTICULAR AIRSPACE WHICH WAS ALONG THE EXTENDED CENTERLINE OF THE DEP RWY. MY FINAL COMMENT WAS THAT IN THE FUTURE IF THEY WERE CONDUCTING SUCH OPS THAT I WOULD PREFER TO HOLD IN POS UNTIL THEY CLRED THAT ACFT OUT OF MY DEP PATH. I WAS THEN HANDED OFF TO THE NEXT FREQ. MY POINT IS THIS: IS THIS A PRUDENT ATC PROC? THIS PROC MAY WORK 'LEGALLY' (?), BUT WHAT IF THE SMA HAS AN ENG FAILURE OR SOME OTHER MAJOR EMER AND DECIDES TO LAND ON RWY 9R MLB (SAME RWY, OPP DIRECTION). THE CHANCE OF A COLLISION RISES ASTRONOMICALLY, ESPECIALLY IF HE/SHE DOESN'T HAVE MY MLG IN SIGHT. HOW MANY EXPERIENCED PLTS (COMMERCIAL OR PVT) WOULD KNOWINGLY ACCEPT SUCH A TKOF CLRNC IF THEY HAD BEEN ADVISED OF THIS SITUATION IN ADVANCE? NOT MANY, I PREDICT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.