Air carrier large transport complaint about loupe SID and ATC handling.

Attributes
ACN	95361
Time
Date	198810
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sjc
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 0 msl bound upper : 11000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : oak tower : mia
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 10000
ASRS Report	95361
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Ambiguous
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

With reference to the sjc loupe 5 SID, after rolling out on a 120 degree heading, the departure controller issued a series of rapid fire confusing clrncs that left me confused as to what he wanted us to do. Clearance included headings and altitudes with restrictions and pilot's discretion and to rejoin SID but at no specific point. Also a traffic advisory was given in turn southeast of sjc which we interpreted as a near miss, but later was told the traffic was no factor. That was very poor control. Loupe 5 is too complicated. It should be simplified to a right turn to 120 degrees and climb to 7000'. Then, crossing a sjc radial over loupe intersection, a right turn direct sjc and climb to higher altitude.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR LGT COMPLAINT ABOUT LOUPE SID AND ATC HANDLING.

Narrative: WITH REF TO THE SJC LOUPE 5 SID, AFTER ROLLING OUT ON A 120 DEG HDG, THE DEP CTLR ISSUED A SERIES OF RAPID FIRE CONFUSING CLRNCS THAT LEFT ME CONFUSED AS TO WHAT HE WANTED US TO DO. CLRNC INCLUDED HDGS AND ALTS WITH RESTRICTIONS AND PLT'S DISCRETION AND TO REJOIN SID BUT AT NO SPECIFIC POINT. ALSO A TFC ADVISORY WAS GIVEN IN TURN SE OF SJC WHICH WE INTERPRETED AS A NEAR MISS, BUT LATER WAS TOLD THE TFC WAS NO FACTOR. THAT WAS VERY POOR CONTROL. LOUPE 5 IS TOO COMPLICATED. IT SHOULD BE SIMPLIFIED TO A RIGHT TURN TO 120 DEGS AND CLB TO 7000'. THEN, XING A SJC RADIAL OVER LOUPE INTXN, A RIGHT TURN DIRECT SJC AND CLB TO HIGHER ALT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.