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Attributes | |
ACN | 96066 |
Time | |
Date | 198810 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : vhp |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 32400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller non radar : 3 controller radar : 16 |
ASRS Report | 96066 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 20400 vertical : 1400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
I was working the ZID hi radar sector (FL240/310). Air carrier X was turned over to my frequency at FL330 approximately 5 mi northeast of vhp, via vhp, fwa, dtw. Our letter of agreement with ZAU requires that dtw landers be level at FL290 25 mi southwest of fwa. Fwa VOR was out of commission. I was also working air carrier Y wbound via rod, cap, mci, at FL310. Air carrier Y was approximately 30 mi northeast of vhp, wbound. I overlooked air carrier Y wbound at FL310 and descended X to FL290. About 50 seconds later I recognized my error and instructed X to turn 30 degrees left and stop his descent. He acknowledged. I then instructed Y to turn immediately left to a heading of 180 degrees. No response. I again instructed Y to turn immediately left to heading of 180 degrees and descend to FL290. He acknowledged. I was talking to 7 aircraft on frequency. 4 were on radar vectors, 4 were descending and 1 was on speed control. There were 15 data blocks on my radar. Traffic had been building just prior to the incident and was beginning to taper off. The angle and closure rate of the aircraft prevented me from keeping 5 mi sep. The thing that I would have done differently other than recognizing the traffic of course would be to have called for a tracker (an extra person) for help (or another pair of eyes to help monitor the situation). Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: reporter gave types of aircraft. Then we had a long conversation reference the problems in the NAS today. He cited the many types of communications problems that he encounters daily. Thinks pilot experience level is major factor in poor communications. His facility has received and is disseminating information reference FAA/industry communication awareness initiative.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION BETWEEN 2 ACR. OPERATIONAL ERROR.
Narrative: I WAS WORKING THE ZID HI RADAR SECTOR (FL240/310). ACR X WAS TURNED OVER TO MY FREQ AT FL330 APPROX 5 MI NE OF VHP, VIA VHP, FWA, DTW. OUR LETTER OF AGREEMENT WITH ZAU REQUIRES THAT DTW LANDERS BE LEVEL AT FL290 25 MI SW OF FWA. FWA VOR WAS OUT OF COMMISSION. I WAS ALSO WORKING ACR Y WBOUND VIA ROD, CAP, MCI, AT FL310. ACR Y WAS APPROX 30 MI NE OF VHP, WBOUND. I OVERLOOKED ACR Y WBOUND AT FL310 AND DSNDED X TO FL290. ABOUT 50 SECS LATER I RECOGNIZED MY ERROR AND INSTRUCTED X TO TURN 30 DEGS LEFT AND STOP HIS DSCNT. HE ACKNOWLEDGED. I THEN INSTRUCTED Y TO TURN IMMEDIATELY LEFT TO A HDG OF 180 DEGS. NO RESPONSE. I AGAIN INSTRUCTED Y TO TURN IMMEDIATELY LEFT TO HDG OF 180 DEGS AND DSND TO FL290. HE ACKNOWLEDGED. I WAS TALKING TO 7 ACFT ON FREQ. 4 WERE ON RADAR VECTORS, 4 WERE DSNDING AND 1 WAS ON SPD CONTROL. THERE WERE 15 DATA BLOCKS ON MY RADAR. TFC HAD BEEN BUILDING JUST PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT AND WAS BEGINNING TO TAPER OFF. THE ANGLE AND CLOSURE RATE OF THE ACFT PREVENTED ME FROM KEEPING 5 MI SEP. THE THING THAT I WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY OTHER THAN RECOGNIZING THE TFC OF COURSE WOULD BE TO HAVE CALLED FOR A TRACKER (AN EXTRA PERSON) FOR HELP (OR ANOTHER PAIR OF EYES TO HELP MONITOR THE SITUATION). CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: RPTR GAVE TYPES OF ACFT. THEN WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION REF THE PROBS IN THE NAS TODAY. HE CITED THE MANY TYPES OF COMS PROBS THAT HE ENCOUNTERS DAILY. THINKS PLT EXPERIENCE LEVEL IS MAJOR FACTOR IN POOR COMS. HIS FAC HAS RECEIVED AND IS DISSEMINATING INFO REF FAA/INDUSTRY COM AWARENESS INITIATIVE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.