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Attributes | |
ACN | 96285 |
Time | |
Date | 198810 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hkg |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 22000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : vhhk |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 96285 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | unspecified : 3000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were level 7000 meters in china airspace. Then received clearance to descend to 1800 meters and read back: 'cleared to 1-8-0-0 meters'. Later, after landing, I was told by the hkg controller that china said we were level FL180. Apparently we were cleared to FL180, but read back 1800 meters and the china controller acknowledged ok. We did in fact descend through another aircraft's altitude according to the hong kong controller (lucky). The major problem here is language and meters. Language is being slowly improved, but having meters and feet in so close proximity and so many aircraft, I don't know if the situation will improve until they or we change our systems.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ASSUMED CLEARED TO DESCENT AND MAINTAIN 1800 METERS, 6000', CLRNC WAS TO FL180.
Narrative: WE WERE LEVEL 7000 METERS IN CHINA AIRSPACE. THEN RECEIVED CLRNC TO DSND TO 1800 METERS AND READ BACK: 'CLRED TO 1-8-0-0 METERS'. LATER, AFTER LNDG, I WAS TOLD BY THE HKG CTLR THAT CHINA SAID WE WERE LEVEL FL180. APPARENTLY WE WERE CLRED TO FL180, BUT READ BACK 1800 METERS AND THE CHINA CTLR ACKNOWLEDGED OK. WE DID IN FACT DSND THROUGH ANOTHER ACFT'S ALT ACCORDING TO THE HONG KONG CTLR (LUCKY). THE MAJOR PROB HERE IS LANGUAGE AND METERS. LANGUAGE IS BEING SLOWLY IMPROVED, BUT HAVING METERS AND FEET IN SO CLOSE PROX AND SO MANY ACFT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SITUATION WILL IMPROVE UNTIL THEY OR WE CHANGE OUR SYSTEMS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.